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Old 02-19-2011, 12:17 PM   #1
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Question SV650 Track Mods?

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I'm going to be tracking my SV a lot (hopefully) this year, so I would like to make a few modifications to help it's on-track performance. I am a little hesitant to spend too much money on it, as I am unsure of how "competitive" it will be once I move up to level 2.

I would like to give the SV a more aggressive riding position, so I am thinking about getting some rear-sets and clip ons to start. Anyone suggest a particular brand????? Link???

Next I want to change the brake lines to stainless braided. I have heard this improves brake feel? Again, brands? links?

Finally, if I feel like I could remain "competitive" at level 2 with it, I'd switch out the tires and suspension, but that's a big IF. I'm probably giving up 20+ mph on long straights to the 600's, not to mention the guys on 1000's. I know track days aren't a competition, but there really is no feeling like making that pass around someone, PLUS you get the jackelopes who drag race on the straights and park it in the corners ....very frustrating if you are following on a bike with less than half the horsepower.

So, does anyone have suggestions? Does my little plan seem reasonable, or are there other things that could be done that would make a bigger difference??? I'm not trying to add horsepower, so no cam swaps or anything like that.

Finally, for anyone who has ridden SV's on track a lot (I'm looking at you Luke from Motorcycles Unlimited, ), how would an SV modified as I have described above fair in level 2 track days?? Would i spend my whole day getting blown by on the straights or what?
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Old 02-19-2011, 12:24 PM   #2
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Don't worry about getting past by faster guys dude, a track day is not a race (i know I sounds like a broken record) but the SV in stock form is a great platform, because in all honesty, you don't have the skills (yet) to use the bike at its full potential.

Just ride it stock with good tires and as you get faster, think about upgrades (which I always believe should be brakes, then suspension).
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Old 02-19-2011, 12:54 PM   #3
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OK, let me phrase the question about riding an SV in level 2 differently:

Can a reasonably well ridden SV keep pace in level 2?

It's a financial question more than anything else, namely would i be better served to buy a supersport for track duty rather than spend a bunch of money on the SV? I'm going to have the SV for the rest of the year anyway, as I'm sure the bike will still be much faster than I am capable of riding it for a long time to come, but I don't want to end up with a boat load of money sunk into the SV if eventually it won't be able to keep pace with the group I am riding with.
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Oh yes.

Level 2 on a stock sv, definitely.
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I just got the vortex rearsets on my SV and so far I am liking them a lot.

As for clipons. I would get some with at least a one inch rise, maybe a little more.
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With rider skill, an SV can run in any level. Yeah the big bikes are faster in straights, but thats a great way for them to get by you anyway. Big bikes & SV's are going to run on slightly different lines. The biggest part of being safe with a mixed speed group is YOU. Once you learn proper lines & how to stick to them ie don't use the whole track when you don't need to......you'll be fine in any group.

Suspension and braided front lines are the only thing an SV needs to go fast.
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OK, let me phrase the question about riding an SV in level 2 differently:

Can a reasonably well ridden SV keep pace in level 2?

It's a financial question more than anything else, namely would i be better served to buy a supersport for track duty rather than spend a bunch of money on the SV? I'm going to have the SV for the rest of the year anyway, as I'm sure the bike will still be much faster than I am capable of riding it for a long time to come, but I don't want to end up with a boat load of money sunk into the SV if eventually it won't be able to keep pace with the group I am riding with.
If I could combine some old sayings to answer your concerns...

It aint the arrow, it's the Indian
It aint the length of the sword, it's the fury of the attack
It aint the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog

An SV will hold it's own in level 2 YOU just have to make the difference. Some carefully chosen upgrades can help, but ultimately it's more about the rider than the bike.
What you said about parking it in the turns and gassing down the straights is how slower riders use the bike to compensate for their lack of skill.
Track days are about fun, about riding a twisty road that loops around on itself. Where everybody is going the same direction and there are no cross streets or cops.
More importantly, trackdays are about being a better rider. About learning to be smooth and able to handle your machine closer to it's limits.
If you get passed or you pass someone else, remember it's YOUR ride, YOUR day and the only interest you have in what they do, is whether or not you cross paths.

I could try to talk you into buying the 750 trackbike I'm selling but I'm more interested in your understanding of what trackdays are about.
Measure yourself by your yardstick, not by how you compare with others.

Sorry, I'm climbing down off my soapbox now.
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Round one:

Springs and oil
Rear Shock from another bike
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Round 2:
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and Go Fast mods.
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Old 02-19-2011, 01:43 PM   #9
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Suspension: spring and emulators in the front and a rear shock, I like Ohlins.
Brakes: radial master cylinder, steel braided front line and upgraded pads and fluid, EPFA pads and Motul RBF fluid.

I've built multiple championship winning SV's and more than a few very capable track / street SV's.

Ask Scorpio how he likes the one we just finished for him.

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track / street SV's.

Ask Scorpio how he likes the one we just finished for him.

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=171746

Ohh, me likes it just fine!


I'll be tearing the paint off some n00bs on 1K's this season.

Passing fast bikes in the corners feels better than passing slow bikes on the straights any day of the week.

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about how much does that ohlins cost on scorpios bike?
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also, if you were to go to a spring from another bike, which would be best for someone who is a lightweight (140-150 with gear.)
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Passing fast bikes in the corners feels better than passing slow bikes on the straights any day of the week.
An excellent point, hopefully I can work my way up to this level

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Suspension: spring and emulators in the front and a rear shock, I like Ohlins.
Brakes: radial master cylinder, steel braided front line and upgraded pads and fluid, EPFA pads and Motul RBF fluid.
http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=171746
What's the deal with the radial master cylinder? What improvement does it offer?

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If I could combine some old sayings to answer your concerns...

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It aint the length of the sword, it's the fury of the attack
It aint the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog
Excellent wisdom, and I agree. My concern was becoming a rolling road block for the rest of the field, but from the feedback I am getting it seems like the SV is more than capable of running with the pack in level 2 (as long as the rider, ie ME, does his part!). I'm sure it'll be quite a while before I'm even in level 2, as I know I have loooots of work to do on my fundamentals, but it never hurts to plan ahead. Thanks fellas.
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