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Old 02-10-2011, 03:11 PM   #21
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the ZX10R had a major recall recently, anybody knows the actual details of this recall? I remember Aprilia RSV4 had a major recall a few years ago, then they came back with a improved version and started to win races at WSBK.
Yeah Aprilia had a bunch of faulty con rods that they sourced from their supplier. A few engines blew and they pretty much recalled all of them. Looking good now though. I always loved the midrange on those fireblades. 08 and up they are monsters from 4-8.5k. Through that range they have like 20 ft lbs of torque more that any of the other liter bikes. Perfect for street riding. You don't have to be riding around with the bike screaming just to get some power.
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Dunno about the gen 4 zx10, but the gen3 that I just got is lacking similiarily in low-to-mid range power. However, when I say that it only needs to hover around 8k rpms. In 1st through 3rd the front wheel leaves the ground at the snap of the throttle without hesitation. As for 4th gear or higher, thats well over 100 mph at those rpms and I am not comfortable enough on the bike to play around. Infact, once you're sitting in the ZX10s power band, the only complaint I have is that the front end feels far too light from all the acceleration, and the stock steering damper is a piece of . I imagine lower gearing or remapping with secondaries removed would improve a lot of this low end power.
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Old 02-10-2011, 03:52 PM   #24
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Even the 08-10 10R is a beast. Back when SexualChocolate rode his I'd take it out every once in a while and do far from legal speeds. That bike had no trouble pulling the front up on acceleration at double freeway speeds with me on it. The power was addicting, but holy fk I don't know where I could actually use that power except for TWS (Texas World Speedway)!
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Ok start. My 06 636 has 34,000 trouble free miles. Learned on this bike back when I bought it March 2006 so it's gone through that, hard street riding, track riding, a high speed accident or two, some not so high speed, etc. . .

I see you had an R6, and you speak of trans. problems?
Although I don't know anything about Kawi's and first model run probs, wouldn't you be a lil' if you had been the first to ride out the door and over to the track on your brand new 2011 ZX10 and now you have to have your brand new bike's engine replaced?
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valve float is no bueno. engine goes boom.


Thanks for putting it in terms I can understand.
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Old 02-10-2011, 04:28 PM   #27
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Although I don't know anything about Kawi's and first model run probs, wouldn't you be a lil' if you had been the first to ride out the door and over to the track on your brand new 2011 ZX10 and now you have to have your brand new bike's engine replaced?
If that's what happened then yeah a little bit. Kawasaki voluntarily bought back each and every(only a small handfull) bike sold for full price paid. Sure it would suck to goo buy a bike and then give it right back, but at least you get a free prolonged test ride. I was surprised they released their new model that early anways. Their first runs usually don't really come out until the end of March. December seemed REALLY premature on their part. Either way it's better than telling the customer that they have to return it to the dealership to let a dealer tech install new valvesprings, and they'll get it back whenever the dealer feels like having it ready.
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Thanks for putting it in terms I can understand.
It's just a weak valve spring. Say you're running along at 13k rpm. The spring was having trouble keeping up with fully opening and closing each revolution, so the valve is pretty much lollygagging inside the combustion chamber.
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Old 02-10-2011, 05:10 PM   #29
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It mainly occurs when you over rev the engine and cause the piston and valve to collide making the engine go boom.
Obviously not on Chrsyler 3.6's or 2011 10R's. It just happens normally.
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I'm not making a this is better than that point....
The issue being pointed out is that Kawi has been known to have probs with their first year production models.
yes, the '04 zx10 has exploding stators.
the '07 10 has short life stators, at least it dosen't kill the motor.
the '08 zx10 has shifting issues. gen 1 busa has a 2nd gear issue, and the gen 2 busa has stator issues (according to a member here who works at tomball suzi)
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valve float is no bueno. engine goes boom.
is this what you refer as valves floating?


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Old 02-10-2011, 05:24 PM   #32
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Valves move too fast to see with the naked eye. It's just when the valvespring isn't up to the task of closing the valves fast enough. Imagine the valve being totally open as the piston reaches TDC. Stuff gets broken QUICK when a valve and piston contact.
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is this what you refer as valves floating?
Valve float happens when the spring is unable able to pull the valve up fast enough. Most high performance engines are 'interference' meaning when the valves are at full lift, if there's a piston there at the time, they'll contact each other.

Ducatis use(d) Desmo' to try get around this. They don't use valve springs to close the valve.
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Although I don't know anything about Kawi's and first model run probs, wouldn't you be a lil' if you had been the first to ride out the door and over to the track on your brand new 2011 ZX10 and now you have to have your brand new bike's engine replaced?
Supposedly, only 14 were sold. They replaced the bikes.

One of the reasons I am a long time Kaw fan is the insane reliability. I have beat the out of them since 1984. I cant break one.

Lack of bottom end is a ZX10 trademark. My 05 would fall on its face before 7k. After 10k, it would rip your shoulders out of joint.
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Supposedly, only 14 were sold. They replaced the bikes.

One of the reasons I am a long time Kaw fan is the insane reliability. I have beat the out of them since 1984. I cant break one.

Lack of bottom end is a ZX10 trademark. My 05 would fall on its face before 7k. After 10k, it would rip your shoulders out of joint.
that is pretty much how my bmw behaves below 9k rpm, all power comes high in the rpm range.
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