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Old 02-07-2011, 11:28 AM   #1
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Anyone changed a Z50 tire?

I've never changed a tube/tire on a Z50, but I have done several CRF50 tires, and they are a pain in the @$*! So I cut the old tire off which was a whole other ordeal, and now I have the wheel seperated and cleaned up. So how do I put this tube in, get the bead seated and inflate it without popping the tube? Any advice is greatly appreciated!
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It's a lot like the CRF wheel.
Use lots of soapy water. Put the first bead in and then the tube.
Take your time and work the 2nd bead in. I usually put just a small amount of air in the tube to keep it from folding under the bead.
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It's a lot like the CRF wheel.
Use lots of soapy water. Put the first bead in and then the tube.
Take your time and work the 2nd bead in. I usually put just a small amount of air in the tube to keep it from folding under the bead.Good luck!
this will help you keep from popping multiple tubes during install....I learned the hard way and wasted 2 $18 tubes on the KX.
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It's a lot like the CRF wheel.
Use lots of soapy water. Put the first bead in and then the tube.
Take your time and work the 2nd bead in. I usually put just a small amount of air in the tube to keep it from folding under the bead.
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Hopefully if I soak everything in soapy water, bolt the wheel together with a little air in the tube and inflate it the bead will seat. Those 8" tires have the stiffest bead on them , and I cant get it all the way flush on the rim, so hopefully this works! i always just take my CRF50 tires to the shop, I'll pay 15$ anyday to not have to go through 4 tubes and 3 hours just to end up taking it to the shop anyways!

Patrick one day a while back I called your shop and someone told me you guys dont even change 50 tires, I dont blame you one bit!!!
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Not sure how far into the process you are right now but I would have that tire soaking in hot water in the kitchen sink to "soften" it up a little bit. These cold temperatures aren't helping you one bit. If i would have ever known that bike was going to be such a headache I would have parted it out instead of selling it to you. . .
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Hopefully if I soak everything in soapy water, bolt the wheel together with a little air in the tube and inflate it the bead will seat. Those 8" tires have the stiffest bead on them , and I cant get it all the way flush on the rim, so hopefully this works! i always just take my CRF50 tires to the shop, I'll pay 15$ anyday to not have to go through 4 tubes and 3 hours just to end up taking it to the shop anyways!

Patrick one day a while back I called your shop and someone told me you guys dont even change 50 tires, I dont blame you one bit!!!

Yep, they are a pain for sure, and it's a losing propostition to spend an hour or more busting your knuckles for the price and possibly destroying a tube or tire in the process.

I'm not certain, but NW Honda MAY still do them.
Swing by there and ask Corky the service manager.
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Chad LOVES changing small tires you should just take it to him
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I went and bought tire changing tools cause I kept pinching tubes. Nothing more frustrating than finishing up a grueling tire change only to find out it won't hold air
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Not sure how far into the process you are right now but I would have that tire soaking in hot water in the kitchen sink to "soften" it up a little bit. These cold temperatures aren't helping you one bit. If i would have ever known that bike was going to be such a headache I would have parted it out instead of selling it to you. . .
I'm glad someone said this. Warming the tires make a HUGE difference. If i knew i was about to change a dirt bike tire, regardless of the size, i'd stick them outside in the sun for about an hour and it make things alot easier.
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I had to do the samething, but never could get them off the rim. It was like the tire is rusted to the freakin rim, needless to say there still sitting in the corner not completed, lol
I sawed the tire off with a sabre saw, then cut the bead down with a razor broke 3 blades. Then I got out my drill with a metal bit and drilled 10 holes through the bead, still wouldnt come off. Apparently there are 8 steel bands that run the circumference of the rim, well after I individually broke them with a flathead I was able to RIP the old tire off. The whole process took about 1 1/2 hours, and I thought it would be easier then a 12" Crf50 wheel. YEAH RIGHT!!! I will NOT be doing the front.

Normally I take all my mini tires to Honda of houston becuase its $15, and this is exactly why.

Thanks for the suggestion of heating the tires, I will definetly do that!

Joe dont worry about it bro, I am thoroughly enjoying working on this thing and its almost done, hopefully my brother in law appreciates the 20+ hours and all the research I did to fix this thing. If he would have had oil in it this would have never happened.
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So I have been trying to devise a way to heat the tire a little bit, since its so cold outside. How do you guys think throwing it in the bathtub in some hot water would work? Do you think that will compromise the compound of the tire in any way? Its only water, but just wanted toget you opinions.
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Hot water would be fine. It won't hurt it. , i'd stick it in the oven for a bit.. .on low heat of course if you really want to heat that . haha
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Funny because I thought the EXACT same thing
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guess what?? IT WORKED!!!

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Haha glad you got it to work!

I used to work at a shop years back and i was dubbed "the tire changing master" and did all of the tire changes on ALL tires brought in. (i think it was mainly because nobody else liked to do it and i was good at it) I quickly learned that warming up the tires always helped. ESPECIALLY on the smaller tires.
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