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Old 01-27-2011, 11:40 AM   #1
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I have a question, and I'm sure it's covered in MSF, so before I ask, here is my MSF Discalaimer:

I signed up for the class in December before buying my bike. Class was postponed until February 18. Since I already paid I decided to just wait it out. Class is now postponed AGAIN until March . I have requested a refund and I will be taking it somewhere in Houston, probably awesome cycles, as soon as I can

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When braking really hard, in an emergency situation, what's the best way to do it? I think if you grab too much front brake and overdo it with the rear, the rear will be all unloaded from the weight transfer to the front tire and will easily lose traction, which causes it to slide around to one side or another. Is it advisable to just use the front only? Or maybe just lightly use the rear? I use both brakes during "normal" stopping, but a couple times I had to stop quicker than anticipated, the rear started sliding.

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Old 01-27-2011, 11:46 AM   #2
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I have a question, and I'm sure it's covered in MSF, so before I ask, here is my MSF Discalaimer:

I signed up for the class in December before buying my bike. Class was postponed until February 18. Since I already paid I decided to just wait it out. Class is now postponed AGAIN until March . I have requested a refund and I will be taking it somewhere in Houston, probably awesome cycles, as soon as I can

Now...on to my question...

When braking really hard, in an emergency situation, what's the best way to do it? I think if you grab too much front brake and overdo it with the rear, the rear will be all unloaded from the weight transfer to the front tire and will easily lose traction, which causes it to slide around to one side or another. Is it advisable to just use the front only? Or maybe just lightly use the rear? I use both brakes during "normal" stopping, but a couple times I had to stop quicker than anticipated, the rear started sliding.

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1. Practice
2. Most of your stopping power is with the front brake
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yup, I rarely use the rear brake. If I feel I need more stopping power than the front brakes are giving me, then i sprinkle in like 20% of the rear brake.
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Using the rear, lightly and slightly before the front, will help the chassis squat and cancel some of the chassis roll which wants to make a stoppie....

If you wait until you "need more brakes than the front" it is already too late and the rear is unloaded.

Adjust your rear lever where you cannot lock the rear easily and it will help in a panic situation.

Practice on a vacant lot or street and get comfortable with using all you have. Habits cannot be learned in a panic situation.

Learn to ride in traffic with a couple fingers covering the brake and clutch lever.. a second or two moving your fingers off the grip adds a lot of stopping distance.

The other habit you need to develop is raising your awareness and radar, and opening up your following distances... you shouldn't have to stop quicker than anticipated if you are anticipating everyone else to do dumb things...
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Old 01-27-2011, 12:02 PM   #6
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yup, I rarely use the rear brake. If I feel I need more stopping power than the front brakes are giving me, then i sprinkle in like 20% of the rear brake.
yeah but you lock that front, while banked or turned, you're goin down.
both brakes is best
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I use the back brake most all the time, but in an emergency, I try to look for an escape route, because braking alone isn't always enough in an emergency.

many times in a PANIC situation, grabbing too much brake, makes it hard turn or maneuver.
squeezing the front vs grabbing the front ;
if you have your front covered, the reaction time will be much faster and not disrupt the geometry as much either. I practice braking hard and turning everyday to feel the road conditions, help warm my tires and just feel ready for those stupid things that happen...........

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MSF teaches to use both...I practice both so you can get an idea of how much you can apply without locking up the rear. If you do lock up the rear, keep it locked because if you release the break you may get some wobble in the back.
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Old 01-27-2011, 12:15 PM   #9
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I just hit both brakes as hard as I possibly can, but I have ABS
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Using the rear, lightly and slightly before the front, will help the chassis squat and cancel some of the chassis roll which wants to make a stoppie....

If you wait until you "need more brakes than the front" it is already too late and the rear is unloaded.

Adjust your rear lever where you cannot lock the rear easily and it will help in a panic situation.

Practice on a vacant lot or street and get comfortable with using all you have. Habits cannot be learned in a panic situation.

Learn to ride in traffic with a couple fingers covering the brake and clutch lever.. a second or two moving your fingers off the grip adds a lot of stopping distance.

The other habit you need to develop is raising your awareness and radar, and opening up your following distances... you shouldn't have to stop quicker than anticipated if you are anticipating everyone else to do dumb things...
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Old 01-27-2011, 12:50 PM   #11
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if the rear is coming around on you, you need to practice

get on the break till the rear is just bearly touching
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Old 01-27-2011, 01:06 PM   #12
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[QUOTE=ArtistMarty;2781677] in an emergency, I try to look for an escape route, because braking alone isn't always enough in an emergency.
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If you can't get another enrollment in a place that does not postpone classes (AwesomeCycles) until you get $ back, go buy or borrow the book "Proficient Motorcycling" by David Hugh. Many good things to learn from it. I would lend you mine, but the last borrower did not return it.

You won't learn it from just a book. This has to be practiced, both brakes fully without locking either wheel, to minimize stopping distance. The BRC will have you practice this a bajillion times.
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It is very easy to lock the back brake, MSF teaches us this. What they also teach you to do is not worry about it. If you're panic-stopping, and the back brake locks.....leave it locked. A bike is VERY unlikely to swap ends on you as two wheeled vehicles are self correcting. The key is to focus on applying the front brake properly, and making sure it doesn't lock.
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If you can't get another enrollment in a place that does not postpone classes (AwesomeCycles) until you get $ back, go buy or borrow the book "Proficient Motorcycling" by David Hugh. Many good things to learn from it.
I have it, great book. I'll have to go look for some tips in there on braking again when I get back home this weekend.

Great input all. Thanks.
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If you're in a turn and can't sit the bike upright only hit the rear brake. Hitting the front brake too hard will most definitely take you off the bike.
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There are two brakes for a reason... :-)


You don't want to lock the back brake, but when it happens... don't panic and don't just let it off, if the back has come around and you do this it could toss your off the bike.


The big things are don't panic & don't 'grab'. Practice, then pratice more.
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In a corner, Mr Front Brake is not your friend.

That being said - bring it up straight, use them both, downshift too if you can.

In a true "Oh " situation, prayer and/or the liberal use of 4-letter words seems to help.
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Counter steer, drop 2, nail it...

(or practice in a vacant lot and learn to stop your scooter as quick as possible...)

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