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Old 01-07-2011, 03:59 PM   #21
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If we can fly a spaceship to the moon, why in the can't chemical engineers come up with a gasoline additive that solvates today's fuel mixture into a solution (rather than just leave it a problematic suspension)?


EDIT: In case someone else is curious and isn't following the question, the components of a suspension will separate over time, a solution does not.
It's called the Ethanol Lobby.

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Old 01-07-2011, 05:55 PM   #22
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:16 PM   #23
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[QUOTE=Patrick;2763383]It's called the Ethanol Lobby.

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Good info Patrick, but that wasn't the answer to my question. When you said fuel was a suspension, that is indicative that the components of the fuel mixture are not actually in solution. I know people are working on additives to help with the problem of gunk buildup, but it doesn't seem like they have succeeded in that goal to an exceptable level. If the gunk problem is caused by the ethanol separating out of the solution over time, and the guv won't get rid of it, there should be some kind of solvent designed that could actually blend the fuel mixture into a homogenous solution. It is my understanding that that would eliminate the incompatibility of ethanol in fuel.

An analogy for others is a cup of water and oil. They don't mix well, but shake or stir it enough and the oil water mix becomes an emulsion. OTOH, There are solvents that can evenly blend the two incompatable substances together to the degree that they won't separate.

Patrick, Our fuel seems to be somewhere in the middle, with the ethanol only partially dissolved into solution (based on your description of the problem). With a better solvent to make the ethanol more compatible, it seems like the gunking problem would likely go away, at least to a large extent. Obviously, an entity could make a ton of money by solving this issue, and I can't figure out why it hasn't happened since it wouldn't interfere with the govs agenda of pushing ethanol.
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10% ethanol will stay in solution with the remainder being gasoline. The problem is when water from humidity or other sources exceed gasolines capacity to keep the water and ethanol in solution, they will phase separate or settle out of solution. This puts the water/ethanol at the low point in the gas tank where gravity or a fuel pump puts it into the combustion chamber. This can cause a lean condition which causes hard starting, rough running, corrosion, and lean running conditions which can damage the engine. What the fuel stabilizers do is increase the solubility of the water/ethanol/gasoline before it is able to drop out of solution. The fuel system cleaners clean the varnish, gum and carbon that can form in a fuel system, valves, piston head and combustion chamber.
Thanks for the input, as all I have to go on is theory, not practical application (at least when it comes to this topic). I can see two possible solutions to this issue. Find a way to keep the water out, or have a mixture that is a great deal more soluble for ethanol. If both are difficult, maybe a little of both Thoughts?
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