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Old 12-23-2010, 11:30 PM   #1
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I have a 94 cbr600, stock. i am wanting to be able to pull the front end up (on ocassion) but my bike wont stand up without being high high high RPM's. I am used to my motorcross bike and being able to pull the wheel at all speeds and all gears, and now feel like i have to "bounce" the front end for a while then just hammer it. so here is my question/s: is this normal for a stock bike not to pull the front wheel very easily? would a different sprocket make a change without hurting highway riding? is the clutch used in pulling the front end, or rely fully on torque? any answers would be appreciated, thanks!

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Old 12-23-2010, 11:37 PM   #2
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Pull the clutch in, give it a lot of gas, then let go of the clutch lever. Just don't loop it Or you could just go -1 on the front sprocket.
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I have a 94 cbr600, stock. i am wanting to be able to pull the front end up (on ocassion) but my bike wont stand up without being high high high RPM's. I am used to my motorcross bike and being able to pull the wheel at all speeds and all gears, and now feel like i have to "bounce" the front end for a while then just hammer it. so here is my question/s: is this normal for a stock bike not to pull the front wheel very easily? would a different sprocket make a change without hurting highway riding? is the clutch used in pulling the front end, or rely fully on torque? any answers would be appreciated, thanks!

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Just gun it and pop the clutch...Just watch out for mailboxes on the street and don't do it while you're intoxicated........
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Old 12-24-2010, 12:53 AM   #4
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I had the same problem when I went from many years of MX and offroad. You're just use to having a whole lot of lowend tourqe and a very light front end. You're going to have to get the RPM's a lot higher like 4-6 grand before you can expect to just throttle it up, and you may only be able to do it in 1 and 2nd on that bike.
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I have a 94 cbr600, stock. i am wanting to be able to pull the front end up (on ocassion) but my bike wont stand up without being high high high RPM's. I am used to my motorcross bike and being able to pull the wheel at all speeds and all gears, and now feel like i have to "bounce" the front end for a while then just hammer it. so here is my question/s: is this normal for a stock bike not to pull the front wheel very easily? would a different sprocket make a change without hurting highway riding? is the clutch used in pulling the front end, or rely fully on torque? any answers would be appreciated, thanks!

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It hurts high way speeds for sure if you wana around and ride on the street I would stay with stock gearing on the f2 f3. I have a 54 on my f3 and its a pain in the to ride on the street , vibrates off and its just not good for your motor. I also dont keep my idle too high because its carburated and it tends to bog out if your idle is too high and if you wheelie allot .
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Old 12-24-2010, 01:24 AM   #6
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my bike is cold cold blooded. for the first 15 minutes of riding (and i always let my bike warm up before getting on it for like 3 minutes), it bogs whenever i give it gas...why is that?
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It hurts high way speeds for sure if you wana around and ride on the street I would stay with stock gearing on the f2 f3. I have a 54 on my f3 and its a pain in the to ride on the street , vibrates off and its just not good for your motor. I also dont keep my idle too high because its carburated and it tends to bog out if your idle is too high and if you wheelie allot .
not trying to turn this into an argument, but I'm about to go -1, and everyone I've talked to about it, including Patrick, said it should be fine. More torque, but not to the point of overkill, and lose just a bit of the top end
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my bike is cold cold blooded. for the first 15 minutes of riding (and i always let my bike warm up before getting on it for like 3 minutes), it bogs whenever i give it gas...why is that?
clean your carbs, it bogs more when its cold i tink all bikes do that



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not trying to turn this into an argument, but I'm about to go -1, and everyone I've talked to about it, including Patrick, said it should be fine. More torque, but not to the point of overkill, and lose just a bit of the top end
im not talkin goin up or down 2 or 3 im talkin from 43 to 54 do the math
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im not talkin goin up or down 2 or 3 im talkin from 43 to 54 do the math
I don't think math is the problem here. I suggested going -1 after getting reputable advice (Patrick). You recommended no change at all because yours was a pain in the to ride on the street, and though you stated rear sprocket size, you didn't say what size was OEM. IMO, it wasn't a good comparison and could be a bit misleading to others reading to learn something.

For the record, 54 did sound like a lot of teeth, but I don't like to make assumptions. Rather than bring that issue up in the first post I decided to look it up during my dead time at
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not trying to turn this into an argument, but I'm about to go -1, and everyone I've talked to about it, including Patrick, said it should be fine. More torque, but not to the point of overkill, and lose just a bit of the top end
-1 is a nice, noticeable change. The throttle response in low gears is increased by a good amount while your top speed is not affected that much. I believe you will like this change.

Now as to the OP, most 600cc bikes have a rough time successfully accomplishing power wheelies. The -1 could be a perfect change but in most cases you will still have to use your clutch. A simple quick "blip" of the clutch should suffice in your initial understanding of how "clutch-ups" work. Be careful with how much throttle you give when actually clutching up because it is very easy to 12 o'clock. Take it slow, this skill takes time. How much time depends on you.
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-1 is a nice, noticeable change. The throttle response in low gears is increased by a good amount while your top speed is not affected that much. I believe you will like this change.
This.

OP, the further away from stock gearing you go, the harder is it to ride street BUT easier to stunt (as Miguel pointed out). The -1 front will make a nice torquey difference and should help with your wheelies, but will not affect your highway riding much. You WILL shift up through your gears much faster and have a slightly lower top speed. Your speedometer will be a bit off and read higher than actual, thus stacking on your mileage faster. You can get a Speedohealer to fix that if it bothers you.

I did this on my bike at Patrick's suggestion with great results.
Replacing a REAR sprocket will most likely cause you to change the chain also, so a -1 front is a good cheaper starting point.
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Brah I would say stay stock or get the front sprocket like helios sayd , I ride a geard and a stock cbr 600 f3 and i like the stock one beter to ride on the street. When it really comes down to it a good rider will wheelie anything, if you want to learn to do controlled wheelies i would start with a smaller bike mabe a ttr 125 or a honda crf 50, get the concept on that then transfer the skills to the big bike . I know it sounds retarted I didnt belive it at first but its true it works just like all the lucas products
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Old 12-24-2010, 11:17 AM   #13
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This is a bone stock f3 getin wheelied not ideled high at all , i could have never done this without back brake control and allot of practice

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Ok.. may be a stupid question on this, but do you think a wheelie trainer is a good investment? (I mean I own a busa and don't have a smaller bike to learn on)
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showoff!!! put some air in that rear tire.
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Ok.. may be a stupid question on this, but do you think a wheelie trainer is a good investment? (I mean I own a busa and don't have a smaller bike to learn on)
i really dont think they are, best trainer is practice IMO
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They run about 5-700 bucks

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What are wheelie trainers?
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