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Old 08-17-2006, 08:02 AM   #21
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im always the one in the back and the last one to get places...
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Old 08-17-2006, 08:03 AM   #22
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I've been riding for about 2 months now and my main fear is leaning the bike hard to turn fast i.e: FM 149, my question is whats the main cause of low siding... sliding out? what are some things i can do the help me overcome my fear? I deff. look where i want to go and look through the turn but im just scared to lean the bike...

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I think one cause is that the rider gets scared and chops the throttle.

Try to stay on the gas when leaned over. Not neccesarily accelerating but on the gas. Your aim is to have 10%-20% of the bike's weight on the rear. This is where you'll get the most traction. If your front slides then you have too much weight on the front. Keeping on the gas will move that weight to the rear. Also, if you're leaned over and hit gravel or sand your chances are much better if you're on the gas.

And sign up for a trackday. You'll learn more in one day than you will 6 months on the street.

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Old 08-17-2006, 09:53 AM   #23
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I think one cause is that the rider gets scared and chops the throttle.

Try to stay on the gas when leaned over. Not neccesarily accelerating but on the gas. Your aim is to have 10%-20% of the bike's weight on the rear. This is where you'll get the most traction. If your front slides then you have too much weight on the front. Keeping on the gas will move that weight to the rear. Also, if you're leaned over and hit gravel or sand your chances are much better if you're on the gas.

And sign up for a trackday. You'll learn more in one day than you will 6 months on the street.
+1. this one is a BIG cause. remember it.
and if u r still new to the game, then make it a point not to go in too hot. EVER. most new folks just panic when they see the road curving up, not knowing that the bike has enough traction to make it easily.

still, if u do EVER, go in too hot, just trust the tires, dont get on brakes, dont chop the throttle, look thru the turn (very imp, if u look off the road, thats where u will go) and with a lil luck, u will make it safely.
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Old 08-17-2006, 10:03 AM   #24
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great advice from experienced guys....i say take it easy, don't rush things through. it will come to you sooner than you think.
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Old 08-17-2006, 10:05 AM   #25
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^ +5 dont everrr grab the front brakes or stand the bike up which is going to be your gut reaction. dude i saw some guy at my first trackday do that at over 140mph and and he FAWKED his face up. like majorly to where he was reduced to primitive grunts and throat sounds. <--- that scarred me for life. i suggest you sign up for longhorn on the sept 15th man. buck beasley is probably going to be the most helpful guy youve ridden with since you started. you really will learn alot from your trackday and that alone will give you plenty of confidence on the street. (stay away from old people on the roads, no amounts of training can prevent a incident with them. they WILL run you down and kill you. keep close eye on them. good luck)
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Old 08-17-2006, 10:07 AM   #26
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Old 08-17-2006, 10:12 AM   #27
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now i m waiting to see which old man on here is gonna come in and lambast buck nasty:laughing6

though he is kinda right..grannys and grandpas in those old oldsmobiles r dangerous. but so r the young ones, taped to their cellphones, drinking those colas.
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Old 08-17-2006, 10:12 AM   #28
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old = hugging steering wheel, unable to see over the dash and driving an oldsmobile, older cadillac, or crown vic. if hit or run off road, immediatly look for a license plate number if still conscious as they will most keep driving and not know they ran somone the fk over.
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CORRECTION:

"Your aim is to have 10%-20% MORE of the bike's weight on the rear THAN ON THE FRONT."

Other tips I've read:
Make sure your transition to 'wide open' throttle takes at least 3 seconds when cracking on the throttle in a corner.

The G force that you feel (.1 -.2 G's) accelerating out of a corner should be about the same amount as you feel from a 4th gear roll on at 60mph.

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Old 08-17-2006, 10:13 AM   #30
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^ i think he's talkin about the old people that drive 20mph in the far left lane, and when you honk, highbeam, scream and holler, they don't know what they are doing wrong in the left lane.
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dont honk, highbeam, flip off these people. it usualy results in them getting extremely confused, and in return swerving in the lane and or slamming on of the brakes. i have this fear of old people on the road since highschool when one of the chicks at my school who road a rebel (me and her only people that had bikes) got hit from behind, landed on the hood of the car and actualy stayed on it since the old woman kept driving. she kept driving for about 5 seconds with the bike being pushed and this chick on her hood and then thinking shes being attack she slammed the brakes and threw the chick almost into an intersection. scary stuff?
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Old 08-17-2006, 12:47 PM   #32
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Hanging off the bike on public or even country roads is not a good idea leave that for the track. and to tell you the truth i ahve seen riders take corners not curves just as as fast in a nuetral riding position its all about rider preference i think sometimes i hang off only because its a cool felling but i really dont thing its necessary. i shift my weight more than anything
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Old 08-17-2006, 01:04 PM   #33
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IMO try to keep it at the track. I wrckout at racer RD backin feb of 2004.

I was going WAY too fast and met up with some debris in the road. I got lucky and only broke an ankle,it could have/should have been alot worse.

the track is WAY more fun and you feel ALOT moreconfident, becuase there is nothing to wreck into, no on the track to cause you to go down, and if you do go down, you will MOST LIKELY walk away and laugh about it later.
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Old 08-17-2006, 01:14 PM   #34
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Hanging off is not only to look cool. It allows you to keep the bike more upright therefore increasing the size of the tires' contact patch (ie: more traction). If there are two bikes in the same corner at the same speed, the guy leaning off more will be able to get on the gas more when exiting the corner without loosing traction.
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Old 08-17-2006, 01:25 PM   #35
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+1. this one is a BIG cause. remember it.
and if u r still new to the game, then make it a point not to go in too hot. EVER. most new folks just panic when they see the road curving up, not knowing that the bike has enough traction to make it easily.

still, if u do EVER, go in too hot, just trust the tires, dont get on brakes, dont chop the throttle, look thru the turn (very imp, if u look off the road, thats where u will go) and with a lil luck, u will make it safely.
+1...A friend of mine just tore his bike up this past sunday when we were riding. He took the turn too hot and reacted by pressing his break (yes, in the curve...VERY VERY BAD)...and even worse, he said he remembered that I told him to never press his brake while in a curve (worse, if you have to press the brake then you should get the bike as str8 as possible and then brake)...he went wide and high-sided (very dangerous...deadly even)...luckily he was standing next to farmer john when I finally got back to where he was. He just had a few scratches on his hips, knees n backside. He said he was trying to "keep up"...so I say now, if you're a new rider, RIDE AT YOUR OWN PACE. Don't try to keep up...you'll catch um down the road. I will be posting pictures when I get a minute to upload them...
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+1...A friend of mine just tore his bike up this past sunday when we were riding. He took the turn too hot and reacted by pressing his break (yes, in the curve...VERY VERY BAD)...and even worse, he said he remembered that I told him to never press his brake while in a curve (worse, if you have to press the brake then you should get the bike as str8 as possible and then brake)...he went wide and high-sided (very dangerous...deadly even)...luckily he was standing next to farmer john when I finally got back to where he was. He just had a few scratches on his hips, knees n backside. He said he was trying to "keep up"...so I say now, if you're a new rider, RIDE AT YOUR OWN PACE. Don't try to keep up...you'll catch um down the road. I will be posting pictures when I get a minute to upload them...
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...he remembered that I told him to never press his brake while in a curve, and quickly released the brake (worse, if you have to press the brake then you should get the bike as str8 as possible and then brake)

...if you break in the curve, you de-stabilize the bike putting into motion some very adverse effects
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if you BRAKE in a curve, it uprights the bike, and then shoots you straight off the road.

ima guess he never took the MSF.
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if you BRAKE in a curve, it uprights the bike, and then shoots you straight off the road.

ima guess he never took the MSF.

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if you BRAKE in a curve, it uprights the bike, and then shoots you straight off the road.

ima guess he never took the MSF.
Ima guess your reading comp scores weren't that great...and before you assume, I actually have taken and passed with flying colors, an MSF course. Advanced as as matter of fact...on Ft. Hood mind you. I'll scan the doc's if you'd like...genius
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