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Old 08-14-2006, 01:12 PM   #1
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Taking tight turns wide

When taking a tight turn, I have some trouble keeping the bike tucked all the way through the turn. I always seem to come out wide. I start into the turn very good (i think) then right before the exit I don't seem to keep the same lean as when I started.

Any suggestions on how to correct this?
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Old 08-14-2006, 01:13 PM   #2
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slow speed turns or fast turns?
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Old 08-14-2006, 01:14 PM   #3
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shifting and braking should be done before you enter the turn, and accelerate through it
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It's slow speed turns (90deg.) that I take kinda hot.
I do all of my breaking and shifting prior to turn entry, I think when I accelerate it pulls wide.
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look through the turn. Brake before and accelerate through the turn. Lean your body too.
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are you looking through the turns? at the track, i have a problem with that. if i don't force myself to look through the turn.. i go really wide
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look through the turn. Brake before and accelerate through the turn. Lean your body too.
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When taking a tight turn, I have some trouble keeping the bike tucked all the way through the turn. I always seem to come out wide. I start into the turn very good (i think) then right before the exit I don't seem to keep the same lean as when I started.

Any suggestions on how to correct this?
I think I understand. Remember ...

1. More gas will make the bike run wide on exit. Maybe you're giving too much gas too early.
2. Don't turn in so soon (delay the apex).
3. Look way to the inside. For instance, if it's a left turn and you think you're going wide coming out then look way off to the left - maybe into the grass.
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Great tips guys.

I'll try them and see what helps
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Great tips guys.

I'll try them and see what helps
#3 is probably the cause though. For instance halfway through the carousel @MSRH I usually look at the pond until I can see the cone at the exit then I'll look straight beyond the cone.

Maybe other folks are different. Larry Myers showed me that and It helped me add ~20mph to that turn.
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lean more!!!!!
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This one particular turn that this happens on is a VERY hard right (90 deg) then a slow bending fast left.
You think I might be antisipating the left prior to finishing the right turn???
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This one particular turn that this happens on is a VERY hard right (90 deg) then a slow bending fast left.
You think I might be antisipating the left prior to finishing the right turn???
you should already be looking past the following turrn
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dont use my method but, i always look basically where my front tire is at, i scan between where i want to go and where the tire is, I know I know, it's wrong, but i make it through all the turns fast enough and hardly ever blow one.. just my method of doing things. find what works for you and stick with it.
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::???Look past the left prior to starting the right??::
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wait wait .. "do all your braking and downshifting before the turn, accelerate through the turn" <---- should that always be the case? if so i think i just learned something new. im braking, downshifting into the turn, probably losing time there. y didnt i ever pick up on that?

or is that wrong? im thinking if you dont have a high horsepower bike ( a 600), the only way your going to run a quick lap is maintaining a high average speed for the entire lap, lets say you have a gsxr1000 maybe then you can afford to brake heavy and rely on your fast acceleration to make up for the time you lost braking hard. or maybe im just thinking too hard.. :confused1
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::???Look past the left prior to starting the right??::
essentially yes...sounds odd I know but that's the method I learned racing cars and made a huge difference when i checked my lap times. It takes a miute to get used to it.
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wait wait .. "do all your braking and downshifting before the turn, accelerate through the turn" <---- should that always be the case? if so i think i just learned something new. im braking, downshifting into the turn, probably losing time there. y didnt i ever pick up on that?

or is that wrong? im thinking if you dont have a high horsepower bike ( a 600), the only way your going to run a quick lap is maintaining a high average speed for the entire lap, lets say you have a gsxr1000 maybe then you can afford to brake heavy and rely on your fast acceleration to make up for the time you lost braking hard. or maybe im just thinking too hard.. :confused1
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if it's a right turn, get as near the center line as poss. Outside-inside-outside should be your path of travel. when you accel. out of the corner, it'll want to go wide, push & make the bike lean more.
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