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Old 12-01-2010, 11:39 AM   #21
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Actually, they're not. Today's cars are so safe, most people survive to be stupid again.



As somoene who doesn't really use their phone while driving this wouldn't bother me. It does bother me when some cocksmoker is glued to the phone and cutting me off, almost side swiping me or driving up my .
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Actually, they're not. Today's cars are so safe, most people survive to be stupid again.
and that may be the worst problem.

Just put everyone on 2 wheels and make 4 wheels illegal.
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Old 12-01-2010, 11:56 AM   #23
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and that may be the worst problem.

Just put everyone on 2 wheels and make 4 wheels illegal.
Yea, lets give the people that can barely drive a corolla correctly, a bike that can do 140+... that is a perfectly logical solution....
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It wasn't all that very long ago cell phones didn't even exist.. and we all survived. We have just become a society of spoiled lazy brats... I say plug in a GPS block for XX speed and be done with it.

Texting to me is way more distracting that talking on the darn things.
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I want my phone. What's next? No stereo while driving.

No stereo...and you can't carry any passengers. You might be tempted to talk to them.
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This is just plain stupid. Yeah, it sucks now, but all this is doing is making the next few years down the road and the next generations even more pussified, because no one gives a about personal responsibility anymore, it's all about what the government can do to protect you from others and even from yourself.

So great, say it passes, now it's illegal to use the phone in the car. The effect? just use it from their lap so no one can see them, causing them to not even look in the direction of the road at all.
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Actually, it's the car manufacturers that need to step up. They need to build cars that lock the drivers into a sealed bubble, where they can't be distracted by passengers who want to talk to them. No radios either. Music distracts you, especially if you have to change the station or CD. Which brings us to the next point - the cars should be able to determine the optimal climate settings and always adjust them to be perfect, not to what you like, but what the car KNOWS is best for you, because you can't be distracted with climate control settings. Also, they should have something come out of the seat that locks your head looking forward, and also prys your eyes open, like on those torture movies, that way you never look away from the road. I guess that means they'll have to add a system to add eye drops at regular intervals to make sure your eyes don't dry out.

Next, I think they should build all motorcycles with training wheels (non-removable, obviously) and govern every vehicle to 60mph. There's no reason to go over 60. It's not safe, remember?

What else can government and all of those evil cell phone and car manufacturers fix for us while we're at it?
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I agree it is a shame that the government has to step in. Unfortunately neither cell phone companies, car companies, or insurance companies will take direct steps to fix the problem.

Cell phone jamming technology exists, and if every new car had it installed the cost per unit would be microscopic. But car companies have no incentive to install such devices because the last company to man up would end up owning the market.

Cell phone companies could use GPS to shut phones moving above a certain speed off. Again, the last company doing this would own the cellphone market.

Insurance companies could take a hard line on the issue and drop coverage if cell phone use was a contributing factor in an accident. That would be terrible for business because the competitor that picked up the distracted driver, charged them exorbitant rates, then undercut the competition would own the market.

Joe Public knows that driving while using the phone is dangerous, the airwaves have been saturated with studies and news reports making this clear. There has been no outcry.

At least the government has to shoulder the burden of reckless drivers with welfare programs. Were it not for that, the government wouldn't act in this case. If the government didn't act, no one would.
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It's a conspiracy I tell you! The politicians are in bed with the companies developing autonomous driving (google, et. al). Once they perfect it they will mandate the only vehicles allowed on public roads are to be driven by our robotic overlords! Where's ZX? He should be all over this .




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IVE BEEN ON RECORD BEFORE, I hate these nanny laws! When will people stop telling the government to run their lives and take away their freedoms!

I AM for harsher penalties for wreckless driving.
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It would be even better if the cell phone carriers and manufacturer's took some initiative. GPS sensors are pretty common in phones these days and it would be a simple thing to prevent phones from operating if they are moving faster than a certain rate. It would prevent passengers from making calls too, but simplicity has a cost.
now youre borderlining fascism. while we're at it, lets go ahead and gps every automobile/motorcycle to be governed and not able to accelerate past the posted speed limit.
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I agree it is a shame that the government has to step in. Unfortunately neither cell phone companies, car companies, or insurance companies will take direct steps to fix the problem.

Cell phone jamming technology exists, and if every new car had it installed the cost per unit would be microscopic. But car companies have no incentive to install such devices because the last company to man up would end up owning the market.

Cell phone companies could use GPS to shut phones moving above a certain speed off. Again, the last company doing this would own the cellphone market.

Insurance companies could take a hard line on the issue and drop coverage if cell phone use was a contributing factor in an accident. That would be terrible for business because the competitor that picked up the distracted driver, charged them exorbitant rates, then undercut the competition would own the market.

Joe Public knows that driving while using the phone is dangerous, the airwaves have been saturated with studies and news reports making this clear. There has been no outcry.

At least the government has to shoulder the burden of reckless drivers with welfare programs. Were it not for that, the government wouldn't act in this case. If the government didn't act, no one would.
how is it the cell phone companies fault that people cant drive? that like the guy that sued mcdonalds and burger king cause their food made him fat.
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I wonder if we all injure ourselves enough and claim it was because of what government was doing they'd ban themselves???
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uhh.. I think his point behind "personal responsibilities" is that those people shouldn't have to step in, you should know better.
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I agree it is a shame that the government has to step in. Unfortunately neither cell phone companies, car companies, or insurance companies will take direct steps to fix the problem.

Cell phone jamming technology exists, and if every new car had it installed the cost per unit would be microscopic. But car companies have no incentive to install such devices because the last company to man up would end up owning the market.

Cell phone companies could use GPS to shut phones moving above a certain speed off. Again, the last company doing this would own the cellphone market.

Insurance companies could take a hard line on the issue and drop coverage if cell phone use was a contributing factor in an accident. That would be terrible for business because the competitor that picked up the distracted driver, charged them exorbitant rates, then undercut the competition would own the market.

Joe Public knows that driving while using the phone is dangerous, the airwaves have been saturated with studies and news reports making this clear. There has been no outcry.

At least the government has to shoulder the burden of reckless drivers with welfare programs. Were it not for that, the government wouldn't act in this case. If the government didn't act, no one would.
You seem to be missing the real point. It is up to drivers to comply with rules and laws. I don't want any of your suggestions. The companies who produce these products are not responsible for when and exactly how they are used.
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You seem to be missing the real point. It is up to drivers to comply with rules and laws. I don't want any of your suggestions. The companies who produce these products are not responsible for when and exactly how they are used.
If the real point was "personal responsibility" > *, then yes I missed it.

Personal responsibility is not THE ANSWER. It is an answer, and a really good answer to some questions. It's not a good answer to this question, because there is no individual action regarding motor vehicles. With no action related to motor vehicles strictly limited to the individual, personal responsibility cannot be the answer (driving alone in a empty parking lot doesn't count; this discussion is about real-world driving)

Using motor vehicles is a fundamental part of modern life. It is virtually impossible to get through life and avoid either riding, operating, or being exposed to those operating motor vehicles.

Motor vehicles are also uniquely dangerous to those driving and those exposed to them. I cannot think of anything so ubiquitous yet so potentially dangerous as motor vehicles. You can be on the road for less than $2000 easily, the driving test is a joke, even a slow speed accident is potentially deadly, and every motor vehicle on the road today is capable of much more than the average driver (even the slowest cars can reach speeds where reaction time is irrelevant).

Finally, barring totally dismantling society, taxes, welfare programs, and mandatory insurance are here to stay.

These three factors make accidents a regular part of life, make those accidents that occur potentially very costly, and make it impossible for any accident to be truly limited to the parties directly involved. Because no one can drive in a vacuum, personal responsibility cannot be the answer.

The suggestion that companies step in rather than the government is based on the notion that companies can act faster and more decisively than the government and that if they were socially conscious then the government wouldn't have to be so heavy handed. It also might mean more creative and effective solutions.

Car companies already act to protect their customers in this way. Airbags, traction control, and ABS are all safety measures that have become selling points. Cell phone jammers are fundamentally identical to these safety measures. The only difference is customer perception. Most people don't talk about the personal responsibility to avoid flying through a windshield, to not slide off an icy road, or to avoid a skull fractured by the steering wheel.

This is a little disjointed, but there is a lot to this issue.
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