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Old 08-08-2006, 11:02 AM   #81
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I ABSOLUTELY AGREE...they (liter bikes) are not for EVERY or even MOST beginners...but I'd just stay away from the general statements
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The guy has been told everything that could be told to him. Nothing said here will change his mind. Why all the pointless debate? Wish him well and hope not to see him on FOX News @ 9!
pretty much...........same arguing.............

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Exactly...I'm not disagreeing wit you folks...I just happen to feel very strongly about generally assumptions and general statements like those that I have been seeing...
Well, it is not an assuption based on the data that is out there. That is why some people choose to stand by it with a strong voice. Especially some of those that see it day in and day out and deal with new riders on a very frequent basis and that is why our little buddy RacerX has such a strong opinion about this.
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Hahah..I am done with work, its sleepy time now.
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its like taking your friends G/F out.........you know you wanna do her (aka ride hard) but you can't cuz she's not "yours"

you prolly didn't ride your friends bikes as hard as you do yours, cuz you didn't want to pay off their bike. so you tippy toed around.
Not really...it depended on the friend, most of them have multiple bikes...you are right though, I didn't ride them as hard as my bike...however, I did ride them...definately didn't tippy toe. No sense in ridin it like a toddler...
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That sounds like something fun to watch!

There was a lady in the MSF class I took that looped her 125 cruizer. :eh:
But like a lot of things........it comes down to MONEY. Cheaper to buy and fix 250's then Liter bikes......even though so many Liter bikes are what is being sold. So how many REALLY great 250 riders have busted they're on a liter bike?
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I agree , RacerX, some people you just cant reach. AWD get your friend some space. You have been a good friend to him by giving him something to think about. It seems his mind is already made up.
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But like a lot of things........it comes down to MONEY. Cheaper to buy and fix 250's then Liter bikes......even though so many Liter bikes are what is being sold. So how many REALLY great 250 riders have busted they're on a liter bike?
um no it doesn't..........it comes down to new riders not having throttle control. 12 hp vs 120 hp. its kinda common sense why beginner bikes are called that, and why anything above a gix 6 has a sticker that says " for experienced riders" on them.


"So how many REALLY great 250 riders have busted they're on a liter bike?:"

alot less then new riders w/ 1k looping them.
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Well, it is not an assuption based on the data that is out there. That is why some people choose to stand by it with a strong voice. Especially some of those that see it day in and day out and deal with new riders on a very frequent basis and that is why our little buddy RacerX has such a strong opinion about this.
It was an an assumption...data may be out there but there is a signifigant difference between data and information. You said:

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If you have zero experience with motorcycles then I can say flatly you should not be on a liter bike and that is my opinion.
Which is an assumption based on how you interpret the data...
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um no it doesn't..........it comes down to new riders not having throttle control. 12 hp vs 120 hp. its kinda common sense why beginner bikes are called that, and why anything above a gix 6 has a sticker that says " for experienced riders" on them.


"So how many REALLY great 250 riders have busted they're on a liter bike?:"

alot less then new riders w/ 1k looping them.
Where is the MSF class being put on using Liter bikes is what I meant......
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It was an an assumption...data may be out there but there is a signifigant difference between data and information. You said:



Which is an assumption based on how you interpret the data...
That was just my opinion as I stated.
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That was just my opinion as I stated.
and insurance rates back up your opinion.
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lol...Then I guess we will all, as someone was saying before, agree to disagree...

except for the things we agree on...
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and insurance rates back up your opinion.
So I guess I shouldn't buy a Navigator either...because insurance rates are high on those because people my age aren't skilled enough to drive them...
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So I guess I shouldn't buy a Navigator either...because insurance rates are high on those because people my age aren't skilled enough to drive them...
We all know some people have more money then sense.
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We all know some people have more money then sense.
Rhetorical question...I'd never buy a navigator. I'm sticking to my 34 mpg Honda civic...
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The guy has been told everything that could be told to him. Nothing said here will change his mind. Why all the pointless debate? Wish him well and hope not to see him on FOX News @ 9!
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Funny - I was thinking about when I took the MSF. I was on a CB125 and was a afraid to scape pegs or open up the throttle past 1/2 way. Eventually I got comfortable with the 600 and wanted a 1000 until I went to the track. Now I realize that the 600 will do what I need it to do.
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I have another friend. He was a new rider at the time. He went out and bought a brand new R1 for his first bike. He got down the road to a stop light. Waited. Light turned green, bike wheelied on him. Managed to bring it back down, waited a few seconds, turned the bike back around to the dealership and just bought a ZX6 instead. :laughing6

what did he do to make that happen? I hear time and time again the throttle on a liter bike is twitchy, but is it litterally that twitchy? is it just a simple drop the clutch at idle that will do that, or what needs to be done to make such a "huge" mistake
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