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Old 11-11-2010, 06:01 PM   #21
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They can start by prohibiting felons from hanging out together. Thats part of felony probation.
What about when they get off probation? And that would be pretty hard to enforce. Many are breaking the law already on a regular basis and getting away with it most of the time
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this will back fire real quick .. once them gang members start targeting city officials ..


Under RICO law there is no one left to Threaten Witnesses or Legislators..

Tricky Law. They Arrest Every one and their Cousins...
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:14 PM   #23
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its going to be a good time to be a defense Attorney,,, $$$$ good for the economy and gets gangs off the steet,,
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That's the thing though, just because people are a part of a motorcycle "gang" or "crew" doesn't automatically mean they are all law breakers or mean that they should be targeted. Just becuase of a vest or a common logo?

Granted certain groups may be more prone to getting into trouble, thats just targeting people off of assumptions. That's all i get out of this.
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That's the thing though, just because people are a part of a motorcycle "gang" or "crew" doesn't automatically mean they are all law breakers or mean that they should be targeted. Just becuase of a vest or a common logo?

Granted certain groups may be more prone to getting into trouble, thats just targeting people off of assumptions. That's all i get out of this.
The lawsuit is DOA. There is zero chance of the government winning it and the people bringing the suit know this. They are using taxpayer dollars to bankrupt those who they think might be breaking the law knowing their pockets are nowhere near as deep as government pockets are.
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:38 PM   #26
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Ok, assuming this does happen... what exactly constitutes a gang? Just a bunch of people with a common logo? Like MotoHouston.com stickers on bikes?

This proposal or whatever, is ridiculous. I am officially unconcerned.
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so......seeing as how we have common ground with motorcycles, we have discussions on boards, we hold bike meets and other gatherings, and we have identifiers (moto houston stickers, shirts,etc...) are we considered a "gang"? I gotta tell ya, I'm not going down for some squid running from a LEO on IH 45!!! LMAO
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ummmmm......this sort of thing is already happening in CA and Illinois. Do you guys not read other bike sites at all?
Not really, but it doesn't surprise me at all
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I want a lawyer in on this. I don't think it is going to fly.
heard about a kkk leader who lost his property behind a skinheads actions
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Ok, assuming this does happen... what exactly constitutes a gang? Just a bunch of people with a common logo? Like MotoHouston.com stickers on bikes?

This proposal or whatever, is ridiculous. I am officially unconcerned.
A gang is a group of people, through the organization, formation, and establishment of an assemblage, share a common identity.
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Old 11-11-2010, 07:41 PM   #33
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heard about a kkk leader who lost his property behind a skinheads actions
the kkk. The only worry that this gives me is creating a precident to do it to someone that didn't deserve it and wasn't a piece of . Which was likely your point (little slow today)
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actually, there is something like this on the books now, and it's been used for years. I (back when I was a popo) used it to file higher charges. I'll explain.
if a person was caught in illegal activity, let's say breaking into a residence, his information was kept on file. if the person was associated with a gang, say south side crips, and you could tie the crime commited to the gang, the person would be charged under "organised crime" laws. so, if you and a bunch of gang cronies carjacked someone, it upped the offence as a part of an organised crime unit. works great on local douchebag thugs. works on hells angels.
this sounds pretty iffy.
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actually, there is something like this on the books now, and it's been used for years. I (back when I was a popo) used it to file higher charges. I'll explain.
if a person was caught in illegal activity, let's say breaking into a residence, his information was kept on file. if the person was associated with a gang, say south side crips, and you could tie the crime commited to the gang, the person would be charged under "organised crime" laws. so, if you and a bunch of gang cronies carjacked someone, it upped the offence as a part of an organised crime unit. works great on local douchebag thugs. works on hells angels.
this sounds pretty iffy.
the law you just explained sounds useful and not unreasonable
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you got 2 much faith in law enforcement .. The last time anything close to RICO law was used was in Waco ..
thats not true .. Read my Link..
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kkk.. I still dont Understand this Group. Technicaly they are a Terrorist Organization, we have a double standard in our WAR on Terror,.. But that is a WHOLE other subject..
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ummmmm......this sort of thing is already happening in CA and Illinois. Do you guys not read other bike sites at all?
Stop talking crazy, we all know there are no other bike sites. No one go out and try to find them, they do not exist.
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Interesting. If I read this correctly they are trying to make ALL of the members of the club responsible for the actions of ANY of it's members.
Sounds like the same sh*t that happened in Basic Training!
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