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Old 11-11-2010, 10:00 AM   #121
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You don't get it, he has admitted publicily to pulling over said vehicles based on his assumption that the owners have disposbale income and they are more than likely to just pay the ticket.

I don't have a problem with the ordinance or follwoing the law. He has his own personal agenda, and is using th eletter of the law as his own personal vendetta.
Actually I DO get it... you don't. You're stuck, fixated, obsessed with a certain statement ignoring all else.
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You know what I find funny. If he truly believes the noise ordinance needs to be changed. Why keep issuing tickets?
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You know what I find funny. If he truly believes the noise ordinance needs to be changed. Why keep issuing tickets?
There's an old axiom... the best way to get a bad law changed or removed?

Enforce the out of it.
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Motorcycle Riders Make 'Noise' Over HPD Cop
Updated: Wednesday, 10 Nov 2010, 11:17 PM CST
Published : Wednesday, 10 Nov 2010, 11:17 PM CST


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HOUSTON - Some of these guys are the first to admit they can look a little intimidating.

"I'm not a criminal," bike rider Jeffery Wooten said. "I may look like one but I'm not a criminal."

But Wooten and scores of other bike riders say they're being made to feel like criminals veteran Houston Police officer Rick Holtsclaw.

"Everybody out here has the right to ride these things," Pat Wilkins said.

They say they're being harassed by Holtsclaw because they ride motorbikes.

"I feel he is truly targeting us," Vertis William's said.

"I think it's ridiculous, it's horrible," Alexandria Blankenship said.

"I just feel like he's picking on us," Wilkins added.

And none of these bikers seem to know why.

"It seems awfully personal to me,” biker Dan Schmidt said.

"This guy's got a rub against somebody that has ridden a motorcycle before and he's carrying it to the beat," bike rider Larry Howell said.

The bikers claim officer Holtsclaw has taken the city's noise ordinance that prohibits noisy vehicles to the extreme.

"He gives me a ticket for loud engine," Wilkins said. "Now I don't know what do you do?"

Through websites and blogs, bike riders warn each other to stay away from Highway 6 and Westheimer or be prepared to get pulled over and ticketed by Holtsclaw for "causing excessive noise by a loud engine."

"As if he's laying in wait and that's his sole purpose," Chris Fletcher said.

"Officer Holtsclaw pulled over four of our customers right in front of our business," said David Harvey, co-owner of The Ice House.

Harvey said Holtsclaw is ruining his business which caters to bikers. Harvey said he's even seen Holtsclaw pull over cops on motorcycles.

"And all of em were like, ‘Guy we're police officers. I think we know the law as well.’ I don't care here's the ticket," Harvey said.

Check this out.

We're told this is a retired police motorbike - a Harley Davidson with stock parts.

"It's 86 to 85 decimals," Mike Ray tells us as he looks at a decimal reader. "By police specifications that's illegal. By the standards that Houston puts out, their bikes are exceeding the noise levels."

"Why pull me over again when I haven't even gone to court yet," Vertis Williams asked.

Williams, whose gotten 3 tickets from Holtsclaw, is just one of at least three bikers who have filed complaints with the Houston Police Department.

"They basically told me they were looking into the matter. That they had received several complaints," Williams said.

According to a police union official, Holtsclaw's supervisor and a city prosecutor questioned whether the city's noisy vehicle ordinance could be used against motorcycles calling it a "gray area.” But a city legal opinion ruled it was enforceable and that cleared the way for Holtsclaw to continue writing bike riders tickets.

"Ten minutes - the turnaround time between my ticket and this other guy," biker Larry Howell said.

According to figures FOX 26 Investigates obtained from the city's municipal court system, Holtsclaw has written 200 citations for noisy vehicles in the last 9 months.

Most bikers just pay the $250 fine.

"I paid the fine cause I can't take off work," Fletcher said.

Holtsclaw was in court with 39 cases, all noisy vehicle citations which a police source described as "highly unusual." Those ticketed pointed out to the judge the officer had no meter to gauge the decimal level. They asked how their bikes could have passed state inspection if they truly are too noisy.

"It's totally subjective," Terry Franklin said. "How loud is too loud?"

While most of those who fought the ticket lost, Franklin won his trial by judge.

"I believe the open interpretation of an officer of this law is not right," Franklin said.

We tried to get officer Holtsclaw's side of the story. He didn't return our calls. That could be because the on-going Internal Affairs investigation prohibits him from commenting.

The bikers have started an on-line petition and already have some 500 names. Their next move: a ride to City Hall to address the Mayor and city council.
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Is it not obvious? He is a coward and he is using an AE. He is hiding behind an AE due to the investigation. He needs attention so bad that he is happy with negative attention. Its sad really.
I know it's obvious, I just wanted to see what kind of lie he tell me as of how he knows how the biker got out of the ticket.....like, I heard it from a buddy of a buddy of a cop, of some like that.

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There's an old axiom... the best way to get a bad law changed or removed?

Enforce the out of it.
In a weird, twisted way that makes sense.
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Old 11-11-2010, 10:43 AM   #131
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Lol all cruiser guys

1 loss by holtsclaw of the 39 that day

Hmmm 200 tickets in9 mos, that's like what 2-3 a day

That biker bar is about 4 mi from the house
That is almost ten thousand dollars to the city of Houston.
Plus a load of overtime for this guys.
It’s a win win ...
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wow.. Glad they Caught the COP.. Lol Ironic.

well.

he would have to be in Court

Every day for a long time. I say everyone Waste the Tax payers Money and Ask for a Trial by JURY.... Guaranteed they will dismiss them. This way they cant Try all the Tickets at one they will try them EACH case by case.. That Judge is not going to be too happy Listening to the SAME trial 200 times.. Plus the 6 jury members..
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In a weird, twisted way that makes sense.
Doesn't it...

Sounds up, but the more you think about it.
It takes publicity and awareness to get a law changed...and one of the best ways to bring attention/awareness to it?
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I know the biker boy that was so proud he had won in court..actually he did not win..fact is, the judge misspoke and adjudicated him "guilty" before he had a chance to speak. Concerned over an appeal for not following procedure, the guy was found "not guilty" to prevent a possible reversal down the road. Yea, he won, but only by default...and arrogance.
That is still a win in my book.
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You don't get it, he has admitted publicily to pulling over said vehicles based on his assumption that the owners have disposbale income and they are more than likely to just pay the ticket.
, I missed that, where can I see the clip/post of him saying that?
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Doesn't it...

Sounds up, but the more you think about it.
It takes publicity and awareness to get a law changed...and one of the best ways to bring attention/awareness to it?
And yet people like you and Dvl berate and insult those who are challenging it...


As I said in another thread - you. You and Dvl have officially gone into my personal list forever. You dont matter as human beings.

I cant put Dvl on ignore - but i can and did do it with you.
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And yet people like you and Dvl berate and insult those who are challenging it...


As I said in another thread - you. You and Dvl have officially gone into my personal list forever. You dont matter as human beings.

I cant put Dvl on ignore - but i can and did do it with you.
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And yet people like you and Dvl berate and insult those who are challenging it...


As I said in another thread - you. You and Dvl have officially gone into my personal list forever. You dont matter as human beings.

I cant put Dvl on ignore - but i can and did do it with you.
yea!!!it's the internet! staying closely tuned to pass my Thursday by.
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