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Old 11-04-2010, 01:35 PM   #81
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Your kidding right? Why even have a court of law if EXTENUATING circumstances dont apply. In fact, running a red light for an emergency vehicle is perfectly legal if you can prove it.

Maybe you should move to Cuba.
He probably will....as soon as Mommy says he can stay out past midnight...
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He probably will....as soon as Mommy says he can stay out past midnight...
Wow, you fail.
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Wow, you fail.
Nah - its called a joke junior - sorry if it went over your head.

The fact is son, every single one of the examples Morvegil gave are legitimate reasons for running a light, and could very well lead to a not-guilty verdict - if you even got the ticket in the first place.
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1. going with the "flow"of traffic. The time for the camera's is for the aproximate speed limit. if you impede traffic that is dangerous and a ticketable offense. Slamming on your brakes to stop at a red light instead of running a half sec later is DANGEROUS.
So you are saying it is safer to run a red light than to come to a stop?

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2. Weather conditions. In ice/sleet/snow/rain i WILL NOT attempt to sto pmy car/motorcycle.
Common sense says to drive slower in poor weather conditions. If you do not have enough time to come to a stop for a red light, then you are driving too fast.

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3. Emergency vehicles. I had to turn right on a red for an ambulance.
This is a 1 in a million occurrence and you should not have been required to pay the ticket. I have a hard time believing the court did not find in your favor.

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4. You cant prove its the driver. Even if they had enhanced cameras, angle, sun reflections, hats/etc obscure.
As the owner of the car you are 100% responsible for it in this situation. If you lend your car to someone who would not own up to it, than this is your own fault. The same applies to going through the EZ-Tag lane.
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The fact is son, every single one of the examples Morvegil gave are legitimate reasons for running a light, and could very well lead to a not-guilty verdict - if you even got the ticket in the first place.
We need some real life examples from people to find out.
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So you are saying it is safer to run a red light than to come to a stop?
In some cases, yes. Consider a medium duty truck sitting behind you in stop-and-go traffic...he's obviously intending to go through the light...

Personally? I'd blow the light - your choice may be different. Let me know where to send flowers.
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Common sense says to drive slower in poor weather conditions. If you do not have enough time to come to a stop for a red light, then you are driving too fast.
Same thing as above - maybe you're driving just fine for the conditions and for your vehicle - but think about what is behind you...how close...how fast he is moving...
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This is a 1 in a million occurrence and you should not have been required to pay the ticket. I have a hard time believing the court did not find in your favor.
I don't. When there's a camera, many people, judges included, would take the attitude you're exhibiting and say "Tough - i don't see the ambulance, so you're getting the ticket". A cop, on the other hand, unless he's a total , probably wouldn't even pull you over.
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As the owner of the car you are 100% responsible for it in this situation.
Why? Did the standards of jurisprudence somehow change and now as the owner you're responsible for the actions of the driver? What if the driver is drunk? Do we send the owner to jail?
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If you lend your car to someone who would not own up to it, than this is your own fault.
No it isnt. What if it is your spouse? You cannot legally be obligated to testify against your spouse, but on the other hand, it is forcing someone who did not commit the crime to accept the punishment. Either way - the rights of the innocent have been violated in favor of the state's coffers.
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The same applies to going through the EZ-Tag lane.
With the same issue - it is a CIVIL violation, not a criminal one. Do you really not get the distinction? Besides, that's part of the agreement you accept when you use the toll roads.
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Like I said, you would not be successful in a court of law if you went with these excuses (except moving out of way from a emergency vehicle).
If you were dealing with an actual human officer giving you the ticket, you may not even get the ticket to begin with.
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We need some real life examples from people to find out.
I do believe all of those WERE real life examples.
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This may have been said already but the problem I have with Red Light Cameras is there are 2 different punishments for the same offense.
Get caught by a cop it's a criminal offense, get your picture taken it's a civil offense.
I believe that the punishment for a given offense should always be the same, except in cases of repeat offender, then escalating the punishment makes sense.
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That is NOT the job of the government. Maybe you would like th government to tell what you to read, eat and where to work. Or how about what you can say too. I can think of a lot of ways I can save you from being an idiot. Well motorcycles are dangerous, we better save you from that too...
Yeah, because that's exactly what I was describing a totalitarian ruled government? I think what I was trying to point out was when people enter into a social contract, popular sovereignty dictates what's best for society as a whole. But apparently you don't believe in the rule of law, so feel free to enlighten me.
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Yeah, because that's exactly what I was describing a totalitarian ruled government? I think what I was trying to point out was when people enter into a social contract, popular sovereignty dictates what's best for society as a whole. But apparently you don't believe in the rule of law, so feel free to enlighten me.
Certainly,

I suggest you begin with a couple of documents:

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...stitution.html

You see, in this country, popular sovereignty does NOT override individual rights.

What you are describing is not the rule of law, but rather mob rule- where the opinions and prejudices of some may control the actions of others.

Thankfully, we do not live in a democracy and people who think as you do are restricted by the law itself.
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