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Old 11-03-2010, 09:20 PM   #61
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:05 PM   #62
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Don't tell me - let me guess...

You also think drug laws make drugs go away and gun control will magically stop crime....right?
All these things fall in the category of deterrents. The government attempting to save idiots from themselves. If your dumb enough to habitually run red-lights than the cameras should be the least of your concerns. Unfortunately, some rides you have to be so tall to be able to ride. Probably a reason for that.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:15 PM   #64
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Old 11-03-2010, 11:52 PM   #66
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Quite a few studies have shown that red light cameras REDUCE "broadside" accidents by 40%...

Even if red light cameras do not prevent a single accident, they catch people who brake the law. Plain and simple! You simply can not argue that fact. If you break the law you deserve some form of punishment. I have no problem generating revenue from people who run red lights. I think if you get three tickets for the same violation than you should get your license suspended for three months.
Why is it that a number of cities that implemented red-lights, also soon after REDUCED the 'age' or length of time that the 'yellow light' was on? Use correct yellow light timing, increase overlap of red-lights and I bet you'd get a reduction too.
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These cameras are illegal and if you abide by them you are in fact not following the law, you are giving up your citizens rights.

Voting this down just told all the red light runners that it is now "open season" again to run red lights at will.

Just hope the light they run is not the one where you are in the intersection on your bike..
Red Light Runners? You talk about them like they are a species or a race. I doubt many people go out of their ways to run red lights just because they can. If I run one its because I got caught in the middle when it changed. And never on my MC if I can help it. There are repercussions to people that would do this for fun, you usually see them on the news being carried out in a body bag. Look, I am against any law that takes away citizens rights or privacy. That includes most DWI laws as well.
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Man, I'm on the flip from everyone. I want cameras EVERYWHERE. On light poles. Street lights. Stop signs. Corners. Shoot, I'd even be down for individual cameras that just float around the city watching people.
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In the end its GUILTY until proven innocent. No, these camera's are unconstitutional.

Please explain how a red light camera violates the constitution... A US Appeals Court has already ruled they are constitutional...
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No the problem is that Camera's cannot think.
Legitmate reasons to run a red light

1. going with the "flow"of traffic. The time for the camera's is for the aproximate speed limit.
if you impede traffic that is dangerous and a ticketable offense. Slamming on your brakes
to stop at a red light instead of running a half sec later is DANGEROUS.
2. Weather conditions. In ice/sleet/snow/rain i WILL NOT attempt to sto pmy car/motorcycle.
3. Emergency vehicles. I had to turn right on a red for an ambulance. Ticketed. Went to court, they said to bad because
the ambulance turned right before the camera.
4. You cant prove its the driver. Even if they had enhanced cameras, angle, sun reflections, hats/etc obscure.
So now you have to go out of your way to prove its not you.
Your examples are rather laughable and would never hold up in a court of law.
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Please explain how a red light camera violates the constitution... A US Appeals Court has already ruled they are constitutional...
The 6th Circuit has said they are. They may be legal in that district, but many states have flatly declared them unconstitutional.

We are not in the 6th Circuit. We're in the 5th.

I'll grant you one judge here in Houston has said they are legal but only with some serious changes in the way the tickets were applied - among those changes, requiring a civil not criminal fine.

As of Tuesday however, the real "judges" have now said they are ILLEGAL. Remember, the people hold the ultimate power and are fully within their rights to tell a judge to go take a flying leap.

The camera directly violates your right to confront your accuser, it presumes guilt and forces you to not only prove your innocence but potentially testify against yourself or your spouse.
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Your examples are rather laughable and would never hold up in a court of law.
That's where you're wrong. With a criminal ticket, i.e. one given by an actual cop, those situations are all perfectly legitimate defenses. There are times when stopping would be far more dangerous than blowing the light. There are times when one is forced to run it for emergency vehicles. The driver is committing the act of running the light, but the ticket goes to the car.

All of our laws require justice to be applied - not merely some arbitrary standard to be met. ALL traffic regulations are just that - regulations. There are legitimate reasons for violating many of them which while technically running afoul of the regulation are hardly a criminal offense. Speeding when you're taking someone to the emergency room for example. Yeah - sometimes that extra few seconds makes a difference.
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The intent behind red light cameras was noble. Unfortunately the application left a lot to be desired. Yet another idea corrupted by greedy politicians and corporate slimebags.
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The intent behind red light cameras was noble. Unfortunately the application left a lot to be desired. Yet another idea corrupted by greedy politicians and corporate slimebags.
Ultimately thats the issue isnt it?

I forget who said it, but a word of advice about laws is not to think about the intent of the law, but to consider how the law could be applied by your worst enemy.
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