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Old 11-02-2010, 12:18 AM   #1
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250R vs. 650R?

I'm sorry guys, because I'm sure that you've all answered this question a hundred times... I'll try to keep it short. I'm getting a 250R... But now I'm thinking, maybe I should get a 650. My train of thought is more or less this;

1. More passing power and "safety" on the freeway, as I often take trips out to Galveston or College Station.

2. More room to grow... I'm NOT saying that I would grow out of the 250... However, I know that if I get the 650 I'll be happy with it for a good, long time.

3. I AM, however, a little afraid that maybe the 650 will be a little more to handle. I'm not afraid of losing control due to being stupid... The only thing I'm afraid of is my lack of experience. All I've really got is my MSF course.

4. Honestly, I plan on spending a LOT of time getting comfortable with my bike and making sure I know my own limits. I'm not trying to ruin my life here. That being said...

5. Honestly, part of the reason I want to upgrade to the 650 is so that I can rub it in the faces of all the douche-bag tuner cars around here.

6. Getting the 250R puts some strain on my financial situation. Getting the 650R puts it under a LOT of strain. Doable, but with a tidbit of worry.

7. I feel like the amount of power you gain upgrading to the 650 is well worth the 3000 and something more that you pay. Right?


I'm not afraid of myself on this bike, but that might, MIGHT just be because I don't know any better.

Anyone with a 650R wanna let me test drive?
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Old 11-02-2010, 12:30 AM   #2
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trying to stick it to people that race imports on the street on a bike is a wreck just waiting to happen. i have a buddy that used to race people in early 90's V8 mustangs and beat them with his 250 so you don't need a 650 to beat retards in civics with exhaust and intakes. if you are worried about money i say go with a used 250 for around 1500-2000 then in a year or so once you have the chance to save up the money upgrade and sell the 250 for about the same price.
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Old 11-02-2010, 12:34 AM   #3
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ThomasNinja, Switch and Dave C all own 650R's and have nothing but positive stuff to say about them. Well, for the most part.

I think it's gonna come down to body position for you on those 2. I personally would love to have a 250 to ride around on because they're so light weight and can help you corner better (vs speed anyway).

Here are a couple that some members have for sale. Go check them out, sit on them, ask the owners what they their strengths and weaknesses are.

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=160904

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=137503

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=159756

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=153850
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Old 11-02-2010, 12:44 AM   #4
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ThomasNinja, Switch and Dave C all own 650R's and have nothing but positive stuff to say about them. Well, for the most part.

I think it's gonna come down to body position for you on those 2. I personally would love to have a 250 to ride around on because they're so light weight and can help you corner better (vs speed anyway).

Here are a couple that some members have for sale. Go check them out, sit on them, ask the owners what they their strengths and weaknesses are.

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=160904

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=137503

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=159756

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=153850
Dude, you have been so helpful since I showed up here. You're like, my own personal search engine

Although I do apologize for not searching, and making a whole new thread...

You're awesome, dude.
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:21 AM   #5
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I have never ridden a 250. I have ridden the 650r, and stil believe it is the ideal first bike. It is mild enough to not buck your off, yet enough to be a very fun bike. For normal people (Not me), it is probably quick enough to keep them happy for as long as the bike would last. Cant go wrong with that bike, IMO.
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You'll be fine on the 650. Many people start out on them as their first bike.
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Old 11-02-2010, 06:41 AM   #8
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i street ride a 650 and race a 250 =)
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Not sure if it's an option you'd consider, but have you looked at the Ninja 500's? There is a used one here that is very reasonably priced for sale by Trini, so maybe no financial strain verusus the 250r or 650R. I am 265 lbs and have ridden a 500 in the past. They are easy to ride fast as you progress in your capabilities. Great bike, easy to get parts, although yes, it is a little dated in the looks department.

Here is her ad.

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...ight=ninja+500

At her price, you could ride it a year and still sell it for close what you paid (I think).

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Not sure if it's an option you'd consider, but have you looked at the Ninja 500's? There is a used one here that is very reasonably priced for sale by Trini, so maybe no financial strain verusus the 250r or 650R. I am 265 lbs and have ridden a 500 in the past. They are easy to ride fast as you progress in your capabilities. Great bike, easy to get parts, although yes, it is a little dated in the looks department.

Here is her ad.

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...ight=ninja+500

At her price, you could ride it a year and still sell it for close what you paid (I think).

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Old 11-02-2010, 07:43 AM   #13
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getting on a bike you are not completely comfortable on (650) spells disaster! never a good idea. get the 250 and trade up later once you have some experience under your belt.
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650, if not too much strain on your pocketbook may be a better based on what you're requiring in a bike. Remember to add for insurance, gear, maintenance etc. Its not an inexpensive hobby to maintain a bike properly.
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I think age is a factor too. I dont know how old you are, but if your YOUNG and its your first bike, i would suggest the 250R..

Honestly i think the 250 is a better looking bike than the 650 (no offense Dave).

Consider how much you will prolly end up paying in insurance if your under 21.

and I promise, not anytime soon will you be able to outride a 250 on the twisties. (as mentioned by Matt)

get a 250r....have fun with it. and trade up when youve developed yourself as a rider.

I've own a total of 5 bikes in my day and I'm just NOW owning a SS bike....
i havent wrecked since my first bike, and obviously im not dead. Its ok to work your way up.

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Yeah one thing a lot of new riders don't factor in are costs beyond the purchase of the motorcycle:

gear ~200-500$
motorcycles have more maintenance costs than cars
obviously theft insurance at the minimum if you live in houston
tires, tires, tires!! (although the 250 notoriously has tires that last forever)
tools? (do you have everything you need to do basic maintenance)
a bike stand ~100$ (you cant really own a bike without one)

And many more things.
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I started on a 250r and rode happily for a year. I did not have problems passing or w/safety on the freeway. True the 250r doesn't have near the power of the bigger bikes, but it's still enough to have fun with; especially if it's your first bike. And what I see as the biggest factor hear is what you can afford. If you can barely afford the 250 then the 650 should be out of the question.
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I was worried about passing power with the 250, until I rode it out on the freeway. Unless your idea of passing is going to "plaid" then the 250 will do just fine. From 65+ mph the bike is in its powerband in 6th gear (7500+ RPM). Unless you are on a hill (in houston!) you don't even need to downshift. A quick twist is enough to get you up to passing speed.

Street traffic may be a bit of trouble for the 250, because 2nd is a little short and 3rd is a little tall for street speeds. This is only an issue if you really dislike shifting, and it is great practice to boot.

I'm not saying that the 250 will knock your socks off, but it is more than adequate for any sort of commuting.

Ditto what others have said regarding a bike's costs. Take the price of the bike and add ~500-1500 dollars for gear, title costs, insurance (full coverage if you're buying new), and maintenance/miscellaneous. A 250 and a 650 will both get you around Houston easily; the extra costs ensure you are riding legally on a mechanically sound bike for some time without worry.

P.S. Just being on a bike is sufficient face-rubbing material against tuner cars. If they really wanted a connection to the road they would ride. That they are in a cage and you're on a bike says volumes.
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You could always look into the SV650 as well... that is my first bike and I have had plenty of fun on it. I picked it up two months ago and have put near 3500 mi on it, including my "ride around the neighborhood to get used to a bike" phase. I use it on trips from Spring to Austin and everywhere in between.

Or even a hyosung 250R, if you are truly strapped for cash they are an inexpensive way to get onto 2wheels.
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SV is good...Im thinkin about selling mine if your interested :-D
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