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Old 11-01-2010, 06:46 PM   #41
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Thanks for posting bra.

I think only do about 80-90 around the carousel on hot street tires cause I'm slow, and the fast guys probably do n*x/r2, so uh, I have no idea.
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Old 11-01-2010, 08:00 PM   #42
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Quit flaming the guy. He posted a vid and asked for feedback.
Got in too hot, never happened to anyone on this site before.

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Old 11-01-2010, 08:50 PM   #43
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MotoHouston CSI members to the rescue!!!

LOL... one guy post a day at the track and everyone is here trying to see who to blame or what caused him to crash....

hey dude! glad you're okay.... next time take the yamaha!...
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Hey hey i never claimed that it wasnt rider error guys, just that if i had a stickier patch (hot tires) i may not have gone down. But thanks a bunch for all the "pointers" and such. Id taken that turn at a higher speed earlier in the day and guess i thought itd be alright. Apparently since i havent had enough seat time it couldnt have been cold tires?just thought id share my day with a few fellow riders. Flame on guys.
I personally never said that it couldn't have been cold tires. What I said was that warmers wouldn't have helped. Saturday was fairly cool. Very cool in the morning. This means that the track was cold. What actually happens is that the track then cools down the tires unless you can keep up a pretty significant pace. Therefore, even with warmers, you still could have had cold tires.
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Old 11-02-2010, 09:53 AM   #45
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Old 11-02-2010, 10:07 AM   #46
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LOL... one guy post a day at the track and everyone is here trying to see who to blame or what caused him to crash....

hey dude! glad you're okay.... next time take the yamaha!...
Well, I was looking at the video closely, replayed it in slow mo and was noting how far he had that thing leaned over right before the crash and it was over quite a bit.

I have quite a few track days under my belt, a few dozen, actually and have reviewed many a video of mine and others with many different outcomes.

I , personally, was not trying to be a . I was just noting that he seemd to have a lot of lean angle. I have taken that corner just as fast and my bike was nowhere leaned that far but I was hanging off the bike like a monkey. I have even had the rear slide out so many times that I dont even think about it any more.

Let me ask OP this, how far were you hanging off the bike? A lot of new comers to the track think they are hanging way off only to realize that they werent nearly hanging off half as much as they thought.

99% of there crashes are due to rider error. Too much corner speed, lean angle, incorrect body positioning. And noting that this is only his 2nd track day and it was a cool day, and an earlier session, with little track experienced and seeing the video closely leads me to believe it was rider error.

Trying to help this guy out so he can learn from this experience so he doesnt get hurt. I have seen way too many guys get hauled off to the hospital because they rode past their limit. Nest time, put your camera on the tail so you can review your body positioning better. Post it up on the reacing section and get some of the racer's opinions.

I have crashed almost the same OP did and I am here to tell you thst it was 100% rider error. I had about 20 track days of experience and I pretty much know every bump and patch at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and I STILL up and went down just like the OP. Got caught up in the moment, took probably the most unforgiving corner at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on the wrong line and tried to correct and went down the same way.

My fastest and favorite turns at the track are the ones I have crashed at because I learned from my crashes and used it to my advantage.

This happens a lot when fast street riders come to the track. No CSI here man, just trying to help this guy out.
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Old 11-02-2010, 06:09 PM   #47
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Sorry for the flame throwing! Seriously, you'll be a fast track rider in no time, based on the video. Good luck with the track bike build.
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:44 PM   #48
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Well, I was looking at the video closely, replayed it in slow mo and was noting how far he had that thing leaned over right before the crash and it was over quite a bit.

I have quite a few track days under my belt, a few dozen, actually and have reviewed many a video of mine and others with many different outcomes.

I , personally, was not trying to be a . I was just noting that he seemd to have a lot of lean angle. I have taken that corner just as fast and my bike was nowhere leaned that far but I was hanging off the bike like a monkey. I have even had the rear slide out so many times that I dont even think about it any more.

Let me ask OP this, how far were you hanging off the bike? A lot of new comers to the track think they are hanging way off only to realize that they werent nearly hanging off half as much as they thought.

99% of there crashes are due to rider error. Too much corner speed, lean angle, incorrect body positioning. And noting that this is only his 2nd track day and it was a cool day, and an earlier session, with little track experienced and seeing the video closely leads me to believe it was rider error.

Trying to help this guy out so he can learn from this experience so he doesnt get hurt. I have seen way too many guys get hauled off to the hospital because they rode past their limit. Nest time, put your camera on the tail so you can review your body positioning better. Post it up on the reacing section and get some of the racer's opinions.

I have crashed almost the same OP did and I am here to tell you thst it was 100% rider error. I had about 20 track days of experience and I pretty much know every bump and patch at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and I STILL up and went down just like the OP. Got caught up in the moment, took probably the most unforgiving corner at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on the wrong line and tried to correct and went down the same way.

My fastest and favorite turns at the track are the ones I have crashed at because I learned from my crashes and used it to my advantage.

This happens a lot when fast street riders come to the track. No CSI here man, just trying to help this guy out.
thanks for the stats man. and yes it was rider error. im learnin and next time itll be a lot more hang and less speed til im sure tires are hot and know the bike better
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:45 PM   #49
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Sorry for the flame throwing! Seriously, you'll be a fast track rider in no time, based on the video. Good luck with the track bike build.
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Old 11-02-2010, 09:36 PM   #50
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Old 11-02-2010, 09:39 PM   #51
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riding error..... tires... weather.... a lot of could had something to do with it!

now.... get out there and ride!

by the way.. to change this topic... I HATE THIS WEATHER!! IT WAS NASTY THE RIDE INTO WORK THIS MORNING!
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Old 11-02-2010, 10:25 PM   #52
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thanks for the stats man. and yes it was rider error. im learnin and next time itll be a lot more hang and less speed til im sure tires are hot and know the bike better
Just take it easy. I know it can be real hard to not try to go out so soon. Like I said, I have done the same exact thing you did. Got too hot into a corner and leaned her too much.

Tell you what, though, you showed that you have the to ride that thing til the end. You would be surprised how many times I have seen people hit the brakes and go off the track to a nasty crash.

Now you have the guts, we all see that and now you know that we all know. Most people on a SS bike will never push it past its limits, you did and a good thing about it is that now you have a feel for what too much is. Thats one of the best things that come from crashes, you get to know the bike's limits.

Now next time you get out there and are really pushing it, you will have a real good understanding of what the bike can and cant do.

Now pay attention at the Ridesmart classes, ask a ton of questions and bug the out of the instructors, they actually enjoy helping you. I bug the out of them. Ask them to follow me and tell me what I am doing wrong.

just enjoy the track, dont push it too much til you get more experienced. Its not very enjoyable, in my opinion, to crash.

Take your time and learn all the different elements of track riding one at a time. The more of your brain you allocate to try and figure out all the different things going on, the less you will have to act and react to the riding conditions.

OK, I am out of breath.
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Cold track is a ...especially at MSRH.
Somebody else was saying how slick MSRH is in the cold, that's strange to me. When I started tracking the gsxr, I did 40+ days at MSRH in Nov, Dec, and Jan. Never had an issue. Now MSRC is slick in the mornings, but that's because of the traffic all night on that limestone road with the big trucks.

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you owe me a beer since i just spit out mine!

also, OP's vid = rider error.

what time of day was it? cold track & cold tires? what level? did you check pressires............etc. rider error.
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