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Old 10-28-2010, 07:50 PM   #1
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So I've been riding for a couple months...mostly in town so red lights and stop signs as far as the eye can see. I stall at least once almost every day .

My question is....When you come to a complete stop are you ALWAYS in first with the clutch pulled in (like me)? Or do you ignore the clutch and just brake with the bike in first then release the brake to accelerate and get moving again?

I feel like ricky retardo asking this but I'm clearly doing something wrong. I figured I just need to be more patient in the friction zone, but then it takes me 16 years to move forward.
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Old 10-28-2010, 07:53 PM   #2
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If you come to a COMPLETE stop, you have to have the clutch pulled in to keep the bike from dying (Unless your in Nuetral while you come to a stop). The way I do it is I downshift thru the gears to match my speed so if I have to go before completely stopping, Im already in the correct gear. When Im pulling up to the Stop (About 50-75 ft) Ill pull the clutch in, drop it in first, continue braking till I stop (While still holding in the clutch)
MSF?
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Old 10-28-2010, 07:59 PM   #3
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When are you stalling?
Taking off?
Coming to a stop?
Sitting at a light?
Slow stop roll and go? (Gettin down to 10-20 mph and then light turning green and you accelerating thru the light)
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Yeah i took the course like a year ago. I guess I'm just in the friction zone. Nothing a little more riding wont fix.
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I stall taking off....trying to to release the clutch and feed the gas. Gotta find the right combination.
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To me thats the easiest part to fix. Basically have to find the best "Zone" for letting out the clutch and throttling up at the same time. Heres a practice you can do.......
Sit in First gear (Like you would be at a light) then slowely release the clutch (No throttle) till the bike begins to pull itself and not die. Let it pull you till your on the front of your toes, then pull the clutch in and pull the bike back to normal. Kinda like a rocking chair motion or like a manuel car on a hill (Back and forth back and forth). After you find the part before its goin to die with just letting out the clutch slowly then you start adding throttle to it. Keep doin this over a hundred times and you'll get better and better.
Maybe take MSF again just to refresh
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I stall taking off....trying to to release the clutch and feed the gas. Gotta find the right combination.
reverse it..feed the gas then release the clutch...
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^^^Please dont do that lol you'll loop it and everybody will make fun of you cause your on a GIXXER

If you would like, I live in The Woodlands. You can ride down and I can run you thru it. I live in a Newly built neighborhhod with hardly any houses and tons of empty streets. Perfect for stopping and going. Then we could go out for a ride or something, let me kno man. Im glad your asking questions rather then just being quite and learning the hardway
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Sounds good Nightster, I'll try that. I havent been through the woodlands on the bike yet. And actually its dead right now...hopefully a new stator and/or regulator will get me back on the road by next week lol
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Another thing to check would be your idle, when I got my 10 I was stalling a bit but thought I just had to get used to the bike. I took it to Motorcycles Unlimited a few days after I bought for the suspension tuning and they adjusted the idle because it was too low. Didn't have any problems after that.
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.....Interesting.....1200-1400 is what the manual recommends.

Do you recall what you have your idle speed set to?
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.....Interesting.....1200-1400 is what the manual recommends.

Do you recall what you have your idle speed set to?
That sounds right, just checked and its at about 12.
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To me thats the easiest part to fix. Basically have to find the best "Zone" for letting out the clutch and throttling up at the same time. Heres a practice you can do.......
Sit in First gear (Like you would be at a light) then slowely release the clutch (No throttle) till the bike begins to pull itself and not die. Let it pull you till your on the front of your toes, then pull the clutch in and pull the bike back to normal. Kinda like a rocking chair motion or like a manuel car on a hill (Back and forth back and forth). After you find the part before its goin to die with just letting out the clutch slowly then you start adding throttle to it. Keep doin this over a hundred times and you'll get better and better.
Maybe take MSF again just to refresh
+1 the more you praqtice the easier it gets
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Let the clutch get in the zone releasing it about 3/4ths of the way and don't be scared to give it a little gas. you're not going to loop it or anything if you're under 6000 rpms. I use to stall out cause I would try to take off by releasing the clutch so gently that it didn't really need gas. But I find it much easier to give it a little gas and go for it.
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If you come to a COMPLETE stop, you have to have the clutch pulled in to keep the bike from dying (Unless your in Nuetral while you come to a stop). The way I do it is I downshift thru the gears to match my speed so if I have to go before completely stopping, Im already in the correct gear. When Im pulling up to the Stop (About 50-75 ft) Ill pull the clutch in, drop it in first, continue braking till I stop (While still holding in the clutch)
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Bump ! its the exact thing i do at every stop.
the only thing I would add is hit up a parking lot and do a bunch of stop and starts till you get comfortable with getting the bike rolling without giving it throttle.
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Bump ! its the exact thing i do at every stop.
the only thing I would add is hit up a parking lot and do a bunch of stop and starts till you get comfortable with getting the bike rolling without giving it throttle.
I agree with the parking lot practice but what is the point of getting the bike rolling without giving it throttle?
Just roll in a little throttle and start easing out the clutch at the same time. 600's have very little torque at low rpm so you gotta give it a little gas to get moving. As said before keep it under 6,000 rpm and you'll be fine.

On a side note: when you are sitting at a red light, you should always shift to neutral rather than hold the clutch in. Your clutch will last a LOT longer if you do. Obviously if you don't anticipate being stopped very long there is no point in going to neutral but if your gonna be sitting there for more than 15 seconds, it's easy enough to put it in gear.
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That sounds right, just checked and its at about 12.
How do you check this?

i wanna check this for my bike...

*sorry if its a stupid question.
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How do you check this?

i wanna check this for my bike...

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when ur bike is on, and already up to running temp., just look at your guages and see what rpm ur bike is reading when you are at a complete stop, in neutral. That's ur idle rpms.
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I stall taking off....trying to to release the clutch and feed the gas. Gotta find the right combination.
thats what its all about. practice. its the exact same as learning to drive a stick shift for the first time. keep at it and youll get it.
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