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View Poll Results: What % of welfare user's actaully need it?
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Old 08-03-2006, 12:18 PM   #121
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stick those fools in the army let them be front liners

nah im jk people out there who really do need help ..... FOR A PERIOD of time ....... but seriously so many people mooch the system all these katrina people make me sick they used to live in shacks know they living free what bout all the peps in florida that deal with this every year almost any whay back to welfare its good for a time mabey 1 out of 10000 should be on it for the rest of there lievs because mabey they have no family and are disabled in some way that they are uable to move forward its the humane thing to do unless ya just wanna let em die but seriously some people are just lazy
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Old 08-03-2006, 12:19 PM   #122
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if I had to think ouside the box in a "tounge in cheek" mentality, in the way I would assume the goverment thinks

I say they give out money, no questions asked, because if they become strict on them, then there might become more crime and riots and such, and its better to just apease them?
I think we are all familiar with the SUV bandwagon that GM was doing a few years back. Instead of looking into the future for mroe ideas, they just rode this SUV fad for the longest time. Sure it made them money, but once it started dieing out, it left them stranded while other companys who DID look into the future took over. Kinda like false inflation. you can only go so high before it has to fall.
And I think the goverment is doing the same . easy fixes now, thats later going to **** us up again, whether its a depression, or somethign else
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Old 08-03-2006, 12:28 PM   #123
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Not to offend you, but If your parents were able to save money while on welfare then they probably didn't need it.
This program is to help people out in such a way to get their lives going and it did. My parents worked and what they could save on they did and they put towards building their lives. they weren't on welfare for years on end like others out there. I just called my mom and asked her how long they were on this program and she said they were on for about 4 months before my dad was able to come over here to america and help out the family at which time they already stopped being on welfare. my mom was expecting a baby at the time she left her country and this was unexpected because of war time so she had to go and stuff so there were many factors of why she got on welfare. i am not offened by you in any way, i just had to clear it up some. living on welfare is one thing and being on welfare to use it as a tool to make a life out of yourself is another thing. people need to learn how to manage their money and save up so that they can put it towards other things in life and not depend on others.
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Old 08-03-2006, 12:30 PM   #124
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if I had to think ouside the box in a "tounge in cheek" mentality, in the way I would assume the goverment thinks

I say they give out money, no questions asked, because if they become strict on them, then there might become more crime and riots and such, and its better to just apease them?
I think we are all familiar with the SUV bandwagon that GM was doing a few years back. Instead of looking into the future for mroe ideas, they just rode this SUV fad for the longest time. Sure it made them money, but once it started dieing out, it left them stranded while other companys who DID look into the future took over. Kinda like false inflation. you can only go so high before it has to fall.
And I think the goverment is doing the same . easy fixes now, thats later going to **** us up again, whether its a depression, or somethign else
Yep...the govt is all about 'temporary fixes', hence the problem we're seeing with illegal immigration and the like now...this even goes to our current situation with gasoline, if the govt had done like brazil back in the 80's (they took 3 yrs to convert from an oil dependant to an ethanol dependant country) then we wouldn't the problems that we see now. We'd have a more diverse choice of vehicles due to the fact that we'd have had a more diverse choice of energies...
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Old 08-03-2006, 12:49 PM   #125
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This program is to help people out in such a way to get their lives going and it did. My parents worked and what they could save on they did and they put towards building their lives. ... <snip> ... save up so that they can put it towards other things in life and not depend on others.
4 Months is temporary and I think that's Ok. From your post it sounded like they were on welfare for years and saved a bunch of money to start a business.
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..i go to work..come back.....and 7 pages later!

my parents didnt go through welfare, they just busted , dad worked 85 hours a week dbl shifts valet parking, and my mom did the nursing home thing and went to school in finance....then became a secretary to a stockbroker, moved her way up, and present day, her boss is the Houston VP of Investments at Smith Barney Financial, and he wants her to take over his accounts on top of the accoutns she already has, when he retires in 3 years.....fyi he makes 400k+ a year!

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do you really think that every poor person can have a Cinderella story like that. don't be naive.
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Old 08-03-2006, 04:18 PM   #129
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do you really think that every poor person can have a Cinderella story like that. don't be naive.
no.....but at the same time, if they keep getting money forever, they will keep sucking gov't funds.

it just shows how lazy people really are...no , most people won't make 200K+ a year after 15 years in america, but , at least they should try and get outta the poverty line.

i agree that welfare should be temporary, then after a certain time, very hard to get.
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no.....but at the same time, if they keep getting money forever, they will keep sucking gov't funds.

it just shows how lazy people really are...no , most people won't make 200K+ a year after 15 years in america, but , at least they should try and get outta the poverty line.

i agree that welfare should be temporary, then after a certain time, very hard to get.
don't fool yourself most people won't make 80,000 a year in america in 15 years.
that'sreality
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true. my family and i are blessed to be given that chance, and to actually succeed at it.

i guess my thought is.... if my parents can come from a foreign country and make it, in a system that they didnt know, the people who grew up here and got the chance to get an education for free, shoulda taken that, instead of the money the gov't unwittingly gives out.

kinda like, if my parents went against the great odds and pulled through, why didnt the poeple who had a statistical better chance...not make it...laziness
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true. my family and i are blessed to be given that chance, and to actually succeed at it.

i guess my thought is.... if my parents can come from a foreign country and make it, in a system that they didnt know, the people who grew up here and got the chance to get an education for free, shoulda taken that, instead of the money the gov't unwittingly gives out.

kinda like, if my parents went against the great odds and pulled through, why didnt the poeple who had a statistical better chance...not make it...laziness
move out get in the real world ten we'll talk real world situations. you're still lliving at home with a s2000 and that lot. basically yo're on family welfare right now. you're making good money and still living at home. so to tell another person they are lazy when they don't have the privledge to stay at home like you did or a mom and dad that makes as much money as yours do doesn't make sense.
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well i see your point loud and clear, but myself excluded...parents only....i guess i dont understand people's nature to buy (and get into serious debt) gold chains, gold teeth, expensive clothes, and a car they clearly cannot afford, then subject their kids to a lifestyle that only starts the cycle over.

i lived very near subsidized living growing up in seattle's lower east side, my backyard fence had been broken down, and there was a tavern, pool hall, and casino across the street from my backyard neighbors.

shouldnt they want their kids to have a better chance than them?

you said yoursefl that your criminal record was a hard thing when it was time to find a job, but i assume you busted you worked hard, and found a job, and now are successful, and i hope you want your kid(s) to have better than you did.....why doesnt the same hold true for others? again, laziness.

you wanted a change, worked hard, and did somethign about it for your family, why dont they?
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I don't know anyone on welfare. I know peeps on WIC and LoneStar.
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isn't lonestar card the new food stamp? and arent food stamps a form of welfare, and by the transitive property of mathematics, isnt the lonestar card welfare
a=b..... and........ b=c....... doesnt a=c...

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do you really think that every poor person can have a Cinderella story like that. don't be naive.
my parents have a similar story...........common theme.........asians. they don't make excuses for why they can't succed. they just put their head down and work and save.

typical BS, wo wo is me...........GTFO. get a job work hard save your $......quit making excuses.
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my parents have a similar story...........common theme.........asians. they don't make excuses for why they can't succed. they just put their head down and work and save. ( my mom's theory)

typical BS, wo wo is me...........GTFO. get a job work hard save your $......quit making excuses.
+1...well put. no excuses
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America is the second wealthiest nation in the world (don't forget UAE). It is incredibly easy to get rich here. It has been said on this forum that it is unrealistic for someone to be makin 80k/yr after 15 yrs here -- BS.

Flip's story is common - we used to call it the American Dream. However, the government robbed us of that dream by replacing it with dependance. Dependance replaced a can-do spirit. Welfare replaced good saving habits and the kind of generosity that can only come from good ol fashioned neighborly love and generosity. True charity has been replaced by govt sponsored AIDS money, committees, focus groups, think tanks, welfare, social reform legislation, "progressive" uses of our money for what the government thinks is best.

MOST OF ALL: Hard work, dedication, self reliance, independance, and the American dream have been replaced by welfare and its real offspring: laziness, obesity, sloth, and the meaninglessness of never being a real, hardworking, responsible, passionate, and virtuous citizen.
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