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Old 10-15-2010, 09:16 PM   #21
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i can bet that turbo flex fuel cars have those sensors and more ..
Yea, they have turbos
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ones to handle the compression from a turbo.. maybe a low compression set up....
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:53 PM   #26
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SO do flex fuel cars have differant pistons .
I am speaking of very high compression scenarios. E85 is weak sauce. Using E85 in a gasoline engine has the drawback of achieving lower fuel economy as more fuel is needed per unit air to run the engine in comparison with gasoline, Pretty much the price for E85 needs to be drastically cheaper for it to be a economical alternative.
I have seen a handful of performance applications built for it, and compared to the prices I saw for higher octane well worth it.
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E85 is not efficient, but you can push more boost than C16 given the lower intake charge, lower molecular weight, and 104 octane. The test on a 468 with a procharger showed C16 making more power through the range UNTIL it maxed at 16 pounds. The e85 continued on to 21 pounds, making almost 300HP more.

A/F ratio with E85 is closer to 9:1. Figure 30% more fuel needed with E85.

Not cheap, not easy, but it has huge potential.
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Old 10-16-2010, 03:13 AM   #28
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just another farmer subsedy. Also bad if you like corn flakes...or tortillas. Motor oil blenders will have a challenge too, since this will jack with the chemistry in the engine some more and they'll have to reformulate and test again. We already buy specific oils for our motocycles but soon enough you'll have to for your cars too.
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It's an effort to help clean the air and reduce, foreign oil dependancy.
Read in one of my owners manual to also be concerend if you find Methanol in the gas above 5%.

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E85 is not efficient, but you can push more boost than C16 given the lower intake charge, lower molecular weight, and 104 octane. The test on a 468 with a procharger showed C16 making more power through the range UNTIL it maxed at 16 pounds. The e85 continued on to 21 pounds, making almost 300HP more.

A/F ratio with E85 is closer to 9:1. Figure 30% more fuel needed with E85.

Not cheap, not easy, but it has huge potential.
That octane number has been disputed since it is affected by the seasonal grades of E85 and since E85 highest mix is 80% not 85%, but your point stands. Do you have a reference for the 300 horsepower gain?
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That octane number has been disputed since it is affected by the seasonal grades of E85 and since E85 highest mix is 80% not 85%, but your point stands. Do you have a reference for the 300 horsepower gain?
I have it in a magazine. I thought it was Popular Hot rodding, but I cant find it online.

Here is a test on a blown LSX Hot Rod did, though.
It looks as though they did all of these runs with the same boost settings, but E85 allowed them to crank in more timing.
50 HP difference.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...tallation.html
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and a 120HP gain here...

http://www.modifiedcarforums.com/for...o-890rwhp.html
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I think I read the article that is why I was asking.
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