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Old 07-25-2006, 09:03 AM   #1
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Personal safety

I took this off of one of the posters at the CHL forum. Goes to show you that you are responsible for your own safety while the police are only there to help when they get there.

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Every year I host at least one training session at my property where I normally shoot. The purpose of this is to provide access to a facility where those invited can practice dynamic responses to certain threat scenarios.

I always begin the session with a demonstration of why it is important for each person to accept responsibility for their own safety, and not to simply "leave it up to the police".

About 10 years ago when I started this...I called the Chief of Police in the small college town (pop. 40,000 with students) that I live near...and asked him a very pointed question.

That question was: "On average...what would you consider a good response time to a high priority call such as (Man with a gun, Robbery in progress, Officer needs assistance)".

His candid answer surprised me a bit: (paraphrasing) He said.. Assuming an officer was available to respond immediately, that he would not expect them to arrive at the scene in less than 3 minutes from the time the call was dispatched (on average). Further, he stated that depending upon the nature of the call, an officer might not take any action until back-up arrived...or until the situation could be accurately assessed.

What he told me was not "surprising", but the fact that he was so honest about it was. I have to admire that.

After explaining this to my participants, I place a 3 minute timer (Sand glass) where they can see it and turn it upside down.

I then take a rubber training knife and cut or stab (simulated) at least 6-8 of them before I walk down range, pick up my pistol, double tap two steel humanoid targets, walk over to a barrel..kneel down, and shoot three pepper poppers.

I then walk back up to the crowd, sit down, open up a coke, drink at least half of it and ask "are the cops here yet"? I will still have time left on the (Sand glass).

Its an eye opener.

I want to be very clear about something, and that is my respect and admiration for most LEO. They put their lives on the line for you and me everyday. I have no doubt that in time of trouble... they will do all that they can to help (once they get there)!

But, we must be realistic about what kind of damage and mayhem can take place in "just a few minutes" by a determined predator.

That is why I advocate every person do what they reasonably can.. to protect themselves if put in a position where they can not retreat.

The story above is an excellent example of how fast things can go wrong, and what it takes to stop it.
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I read somewhere that the cops are not required to respond to your emergency. For example: if there is a major situation that cops are tied up on, if you have an emergency that they cannot respond to you are on your own. There is no legal recourse for you to file lawsuits because you did not recieve help. There might come a day where you might have to take care of a situation yourself.
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so who'd you call when your bike got stolen?
The same people who didn't do when my bike got stolen...



and consequently the same people who didn't do when I found my bike.



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I experienced something similar to this over the weekend. Just no one died, but could have.
This is the story...
I was heading to the TSBA Race watch party at BW3s on Gray in downtown Houston. I was coming from a different direction than I normally come from and I wasn't sure exactly how to get there. So I made an exit, got on Dallas St...I kinda knew about where BW3s was but I was unsure of the road to go down. So I saw a road that wasn't blocked off due to construction and decided to turn down it. It was Valentine St. So I go down it and I commented that this is the hood to my wife...lol. So we pull up to the stop sign and as I start to stop, 3 overly anxious valets (not really valets if you know what I mean) decide that they would like to help me out of my car. I was watching them as I approached them sitting on the steps of a building. They jumped up and ran towards the truck as fast as could be. It was an attack. One guy reached out to open my door. I punched the gas and took off. The truck got sideways and I nearly crashed it. I was slung all over the cab because it is hard for me to hold on (due to being paralyzed). The bench seat doesn’t hold me very well. But long story short, we managed to get out of there with minimal damage. One of the potholes nicked the rim and my sidewall on the tire but the good news is that we didn’t have to kill anyone and no one killed us. I would have ran them smooth over. It is situations just like these in which no one is there to help you but your gun and the ability to fight or flight. I held off on posting this because I was very upset at society and the 3 black men that attempted to car jack me. But to put it back to topic, you don't have time to wait for the cops to come, just like when that guy started beating up the blue PT Cruiser in Las Vegas. I bet the driver felt helpless.
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Got it, renewal time this year again. Anyone wanna join me and the wife in a renewal class?
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Phucking in the daytime at 2:30PM on Sunday
This is why I made a habbit of locking all doors before I start my journey. Some new cars do this automatically now and I like that.
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Got it, renewal time this year again. Anyone wanna join me and the wife in a renewal class?
Good thing that renewal will be good for five years instead of four. I do, however, encourage all who carry to practice as much as they can. Get some good training if you can afford it. Another trainer once said: "Every bullet leaving your barrel has your lawyer's name on it"
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