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Old 09-19-2010, 12:10 AM   #21
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Nice save Ormand.
Good deal with all the gear, you've been doing right from day one.

, stop and think about it... this coulda been a RIP thread. I'm glad you're Ok and still alive dude.
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Old 09-19-2010, 01:22 AM   #22
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not very wise to practice any new techniques on I10 full of traffic and construction.....
i am glad you didn't hurt yourself or others in the process.... next time you might wanna try some of the backroads with less traffic and practice on your new techniques lol
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Its counter-intuitive and goes against your gut instinct, but don't clutch in or roll off. Sometimes you just have to put a little more muscle into it and force it not to run wide. It feels weird at first, but it will come second nature after a while. I have noticed when I am running wide under acceleration it is because I am riding lazily or it is tire pressure. Glad you are still with us
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Dave Wonders, the owner of RideSmart, talks passionately about the motivation for his track day company.... saving lives. It's a great place to learn more about controlling these beasts we ride. It's money and time well spent.

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not very wise to practice any new techniques on I10 full of traffic and construction.....
i am glad you didn't hurt yourself or others in the process.... next time you might wanna try some of the backroads with less traffic and practice on your new techniques lol
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Old 09-19-2010, 04:30 PM   #27
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Definitely nice save.

I might have not put the bike straight up though. Best grip theoretically is the side of the tires... hopefully it would have gripped or you would have lowsided. IMO lowsiding would have been the option if you weren't able to do what you did.

But I'm no expert. I have felt the bike slip while leaned and regained traction.
You are correct that a leaned tire provides the most traction and support but the issue was that I wasn't in contact with road...I was hopping on slippery shoulder pucks which would reaim my rear everytime I bounced up. Continuing to lean while on that kind of a surface would have led to a highside, perhaps even over the railing! The best thing to do in that situation is what I did IMO...roll off the throttle gentle and try to best reaim the bike out of that unfavorable road condition. Better yet, the best solution is to not place yourself in that situation to begin with.

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A few weeks ago I entered a corner that I am familiar with to go onto the freeway and took it too hot and ran wide and almost hit the guard rail. I seriously gasped out loud in my helmet.

I eased off the gas and kept leaning and luckily I was spared from going down.
Sounds *exactly* like what happened to me. Be careful out there guys and gals

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Nice save Ormand.
Good deal with all the gear, you've been doing right from day one.

, stop and think about it... this coulda been a RIP thread. I'm glad you're Ok and still alive dude.
Thanks but had I ran off over the overpass, no amount of gear would have saved me. Food for thought...maybe they should start installing parachutes into race humps :p

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not very wise to practice any new techniques on I10 full of traffic and construction.....
i am glad you didn't hurt yourself or others in the process.... next time you might wanna try some of the backroads with less traffic and practice on your new techniques lol
Well as I said there was nobody on this 1/4 mile of exit ramp infront or behind me. Backroads are far more dangerous imo because of residents, blind corners, oncoming traffic, speeds, etc. And as I said, it was a dumb thing to do. But no dumber than running on RR time and time again where residents and cops clearly don't want you around.

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Its counter-intuitive and goes against your gut instinct, but don't clutch in or roll off. Sometimes you just have to put a little more muscle into it and force it not to run wide. It feels weird at first, but it will come second nature after a while. I have noticed when I am running wide under acceleration it is because I am riding lazily or it is tire pressure. Glad you are still with us
Good advice - thanks! My first mistake was not braking hard enough prior to entering the turn which spiraled into the events that could have caused an accident (raising the bike, running wide, etc.). I probably wasn't concentrating enough or was plain lazy/tired to analyze and execute my manuver...but I think something spooked me (slipping on oil or losing tire grip). It's not too often I screw up a corner that badly...I wish I had a camera so I could review and disect exactly what had happened. Whenever I go for a ride again, I will retake that ramp slowly to see if I could recall what had happened.

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Dave Wonders, the owner of RideSmart, talks passionately about the motivation for his track day company.... saving lives. It's a great place to learn more about controlling these beasts we ride. It's money and time well spent.

Happy to hear you are ok.
Thanks Curt I wish there were more offerings for trackdays (weekdays, even nights) where more of us could come out to play more frequently. I am looking forward to doing it once my work schedule stabalizes itself.

Here's a picture of where the incident took place...

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#1 - This is where something happened that caused the error to snowball. Either I didn't brake hard enough and/or was entering too fast, or something caused me to slip slightly which made me panic

#2 - This where where I ended up impacting with the shoulder/barrier with my foot and knee puck. Remeniscing on it, I actually just used my knee to push myself off the barrier...my foot was still on the pegs, so that shows how close and hard I collided with the barrier.

Between 1 and 2 is where I ran wide and was bouncing off the pucks on the shoulder where I had to stand up the bike or risk loosing more traction. And that's where I also looked over the overpass...looks like I would have either landed on another overpass or grass...there wasn't any water. Scary stuff! Realize I was on a bike and the shoulder was about the height of my waist, so I could clearly see over the barrier and really risked going over.
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thats a decreasing radius turn. Not an extreme one but def decreasing radius. Looks like you just scared yourself because you did not setup right. Listen to maxgs. Go to the track, learn and execute high performance manuevers. Eventually, you will even learn how to ride when you bike "loses grip", runs wide, rear tire is dancing around, and other unusual movements that will scare you at first.
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Old 09-19-2010, 05:12 PM   #29
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thats a decreasing radius turn. Not an extreme one but def decreasing radius. Looks like you just scared yourself because you did not setup right. Listen to maxgs. Go to the track, learn and execute high performance manuevers. Eventually, you will even learn how to ride when you bike "loses grip", runs wide, rear tire is dancing around, and other unusual movements that will scare you at first.
I don't know if I would call it a decreasing radius turn...

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With the exception of one bump when entering the exit from I-10 (which was actually repaired recently) and 1 minor bump prior to entering the turn, the exit is a very clean, smooth curve. The civil engineers who handle such projects avoid decreasing radius turns on public roads because the common person doesn't know how to interpret and manuever it.
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Ha ha ha ha. Smart people rule. Well done, Ormand.
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look at the exit of the ramp. it decreases and it is blind as well.
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looks like the same kind of turn as the I45S exit

decreasing radius turn
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Whew glad your ok. It dont look like no soft landing down there.
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looks like the same kind of turn as the I45S exit

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The entrance to the ramp is on the left, not the right. It's decreasing radius
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oh well, i guess im wrong. either esy ormsnd scared himself and ran wide. he can fix that by going to the track
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. (Just saw the picture)

I don't mess around on overpasses like that. I am afraid of running wide, flipping off and dying.
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