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Old 09-15-2010, 10:57 PM   #21
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Old 11-14-2010, 11:49 AM   #22
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What sparked my curiousity about this is a little OTT series with matt mladin called inside with the champ. In said video he speaks his opinion on where time is made up at the top level of racing, and you guessed it he say it is all done with the front of the bike. Check them out they are really interesting.
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:25 AM   #23
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The thing you have to put in to perspective is "your pace" versus "their pace". The things the really fast guys do can sometimes be impossible to apply. There are several other things they do that really need to be mastered before applying late/ trail braking techniques they use to your own riding.

To the original question, trail braking is a skill that is best practiced with a careful approach 'cause it can spit you off the bike. Personnally, I use trail braking for mid-corner corrections and while positioning for a pass for instance. I (don't think I do...) use it other than situations like that.

The Keith Code method teaches what was already expressed previously; get your braking done before the turn. In other words, use your reference points and set your corner speed by corner entry. Obviously there are times in racing situations where you're going to late-brake someone in order to pass them or beat them in to a corner. Doing this at a track day in order to decrease your lap times is an dangerous way to try to get through the day.

I think some of the track day orgs offer 1:1 instruction, some don't. I know LSTD does and you get video of yourself for the day. My bet is that good instruction can get you around the track faster (stats show that this is true) and if you want to work on trail braking it can be done too. It's only $50 + bring your own 2 gig SD card at any LSTD event if you would like to take it.
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:18 AM   #24
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Howard gives the impression that is a corner by corner basis, but he also advises to keep your fingers on the brakes until you get back on the gas, which i have been nagged at to stop doing numerous times by numerous instructors (which i never will because its so much more graceful for me). And just the other day i read a comment by kevin schwantz where he stated most racers trail brake to get around set up problems with the bike, and in an ideal situation most if not all of your braking will be done straight up and down.

So there is no debate about whether or not there are mixed views on this subject, but one thing i know for sure is that WHENEVER i see an onboard camera of top level racers, whether they are riding devensive lines or even got a healthy lead, they will almost always be on the front brake until their knee is on the ground.
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Howard gives the impression that it is a corner by corner basis, but he also advises to keep your fingers on the brakes until you get back on the gas, .
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