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Old 08-14-2010, 06:48 PM   #1
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Starter Problem

Hi people, having a problem with bike. It won't start, push the starter button and nothing happens. Have to push start it to work. Anybody know where the starter is on a 97 yzf600 bike. I gona check to see if I jump start it if it will start, that would mean a battery problem right? Not to good with mechanics on a bike, so any info would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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Old 08-14-2010, 07:24 PM   #2
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If you haven't already it would be best to avoid jump starting a bike.
There are a few things to check;
1) Check the connections at the battery and make sure they are tight. Then check all the electrical connections you can, make sure they are clean and tight. Look for broken wires, loose connectors, etc.
2) Check the water level in the battery, make sure all 6 cells are full to the ring at the bottom of the fuller neck.
3) Check all the fuses you can find, replace any that are blown.
4) Get a voltmeter and check the battery voltage, more than 12.5 should be enough.
5) Start the bike (push if you have to) then check battery voltage again. It should be higher than when you began.


If voltage is too low to begin then you need to charge the battery.
If it doesn't hold the charge (in other words you charge it and then it still is too low) you are gonna need a new battery.
If the voltage is the same after it is running then you have a charging system problem that can't be diagnosed on the internet.
If all this fails to make any difference then you might want to see a qualified mechanic.
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Im just curious, but are battery problems really that hard to diagnose? Is the headlight dim with the key on? If so the battery might be dead. If not then its not the battery.

Need to check the killswitch, kickstand switch, starter wiring, or something in the starter is bad I.e. solenoid or starter motor itself. Or take it to a shop.

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Thanks for the input. When key is in, lights seem normal. I'll check the battery 2morrow with volt meter. I am not sure where the starter is to check the connector on that. Any ideas what side it is on?
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Look for a cylindrical part of the engine, probably on top of the transmission, with at least 1 heavy wire going to it...
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ok, dark out now, so gona do in morning. Is starter a simple swap out like on a car? I believe that I still have the original motor to it somewhere, and thinking that if the starter is bad, then might be able to swap it out.
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It's probably not the starter. More likely there is an electrical problem.
A switch, relay, solenoid, battery connection stuff like that. There are so many connections etc. in the starting system that it is almost always that.
The starter is just an electric motor and unless it gets burnt up or something they are pretty reliable. It should at least make a hum or click, even if it's bad.
But if there is zero power getting to it then it won't do anything at all.
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Ok, thanks for the info, I'll post up 2morrow after I check her out. Using too much gas getn to work with the cage.
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ok, pulled the gas tank, all wires look ok to me, don't see any burned or disconnected wires. I swaped starters from the other motor and still same thing. It just won't start, so thinkng it has to be an electrical problem. I am thing either the starter switch (On right grip) or the starter solenoid (next to battery). Not sure if those are the right names for the parts that why I put location of them. Any idea on what I can do next or how to check those parts?
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Try to find a Owner manual online. Usually in PDF format, but with pictures, and step by step instructions to follow.
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+1 on owners manual.
One way to trouble shoot electrical gremlins is to start where you have power, i.e. the battery.
The work you way until you find you don't have power anymore.

That said, there are some common things that can be a problem like the neutral safety switch (also known as the kick stand switch). It will be at the pivot of the kickstand, I know it's hard to reach but it lives in a very exposed place and it's not unusual for it to go bad.
Of course the start switch on the handlebar or the kill switch can cause grief but they are pretty reliable so I would start at the kickstand.
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+1 on owners manual.
One way to trouble shoot electrical gremlins is to start where you have power, i.e. the battery.
The work you way until you find you don't have power anymore.

That said, there are some common things that can be a problem like the neutral safety switch (also known as the kick stand switch). It will be at the pivot of the kickstand, I know it's hard to reach but it lives in a very exposed place and it's not unusual for it to go bad.
Of course the start switch on the handlebar or the kill switch can cause grief but they are pretty reliable so I would start at the kickstand.
neutral safety switch and kickstand switch are two different things, but yes one of them could be causing the problem.
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Ok, thanks I'll take a look at those now.
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ok, battery reads 12.7 before start, bike will not start so push start, when running, cluster gauges jump around and battery reads less then 7 volts. When running both the shut off switch and the kick stand switch will kill it properly. The battery reads 12.7 when off, after push start the weird stuff starts, the battery connector still shows around 12.5 but when checkn the wire connetors to the battery, they show less then 7 volts. I get no readn at the starter solenoid switch itself on either input or output. Any ideas? I was only able to find 4 fuses next to the battery itself. Ground cable is nice and tight to the engine block, any other fuses that I can check. Also found 2 green 30 amp fuses on the starter solenoid itself and they are good too.
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the starter solenoid also has the main relay in it (if i remember correctly). ive had a few that went south and would do the same kind of thing that you are describing.
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ok, quick question, the wire connected to the positive terminal of the battery that goes to the starter solenoid also has a black wire that comes out of the starter solenoid that goes straight to the starter. This black wire is hot or ground?
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Also if the relay went bad, can I buy that at an auto parts store as a regular relay part or has to be bought off a dealer or used ebay part?
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well when you try to start it does it click or anyhting? Any noise what so ever? And just because its read 12.7v doesnt mean its not a bad batt. I just had to replace mine and it was reading 12.6v.
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well when you try to start it does it click or anyhting? Any noise what so ever? And just because its read 12.7v doesnt mean its not a bad batt. I just had to replace mine and it was reading 12.6v.
Nothing at all. If it made at least a clicking sound I could narrow it down, but not a sound. Know when I turn the key on, nothing turns on, no lights or anything.
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Well put everything back together and checked the battery again, it reads 12.7 volts, but turn the key and nothing comes on, no lights, nothing. As a long shot, reconnected the cables to my parked trk (not running) and turn the keys and everything lit up. So I tried to start it up and she started up. While running, removed the cables and she still ran, but all lights dimmed, reconnected the jumper cable and everything nice and bright again. Turn bike off and will not start unless I connect the jumper cable again. Any ideas?
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