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Old 08-07-2010, 05:28 AM   #1
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Sport bike tire x-ref/comparo

I see a lot of "which tire" threads lately, how about we get it all together in one spot and get some sponsors to chime in...

Sport Touring

Dunlop Roadsmarts
Bridgestone BT021/23
Michelin Pilot Road 2
Continental ?
Pirelli?
Shinko 009


Sport

Dunlop Qualifiers ?
Bridgestone BT016
Michelin Pilot Power
Metzler M3?
Pirelli Diablo Corsa
Continental?
Shinko 005

Sport/Track

Michelin Pilot Power 2CT
Bridgestone BT003
Pirelli Diablo Corsa Rosso
Shinko 003


Street Legal Track

Michelin Pilot Pure
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Please feel free to copy and paste to make additions or subtractions. I am just going off memory as best I can.

Also add a number 1, 2, or 3 next to the tires you have run, and how you felt they compared. Please don't go of what you heard, but rather your personal experience.... wouldn't hurt to make a note on your type of bike and riding style....

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bikes: Bandit 1200S, ZX-12R
riding style: spirited back roads, back road trips

Sport Touring

Dunlop Roadsmarts 1. Wearing well, stick good, good feel on turn in
Bridgestone BT021/23
Michelin Pilot Road 2
Continental ?
Pirelli?
Shinko 009 2. tried on the Bandit, seemed hard and lacked feel


Sport

Dunlop Qualifiers ?
Bridgestone BT016
Michelin Pilot Power 1. still my Fav all around. Good wear, grip, great feel
Metzler M3? 3. felt ok at first, front wore really strange, didn't care for them
Pirelli Diablo Corsa
Continental?
Shinko 005 2. stick at first, turned in slow, grip went away fast after 1500-2000 miles

Sport/Track

Michelin Pilot Power 2CT 1. stick like glue, but don't last long on a heavy bike and heavy wrist
Bridgestone BT003
Pirelli Diablo Corsa Rosso
Shinko 003 2. U-soft is sticky, but heavy tires and hard to balance
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+1 to others adding to this! After only 3,000 miles my stock rear tire is beginning to get that flat ring around it. Ironic since I do nothing but ride country roads and twisties. I wonder how many guys get excited about getting new tires.
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More thoughts on tires...


"Feel" is very subjective, and a personal thing. And not everyone can feel the difference between tires.

Most of us can't use all the current tires can give us, either.

Shapes of tires between different brands vary, even in the same tire sizes. The shape also changes depending on rim width.

Tire construction varies as well... Continental and Pirelli have a softer carcass, Bridgestone and Dunlop are stiffer, with the Michelin somewhere in between (not sure where the Metzler falls). Softer on heavier bikes/riders will give more "squirm" when leaned over.. stiffer may deflect more over road irregularities..

Also keep in mind the age of the designs.. the Pilot Power and BT016 are older designs compaired to the Conti Road Attack, Pirelli Corsas, and Dunlop Qualifiers.

Newer is not always better, but tire compounds and design advance every day.. so it doesn't hurt to sample the newer tires to see if it works better for you.
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Sport Touring

Dunlop Roadsmarts 1. Wearing well, stick good, good feel on turn in. Good tire, reasonably priced but I never came to grips with the feedback it gives, kind of feels vague. Most of my customers who try them don't stay with them

Bridgestone BT021/23 Wears well, great traction for general street/ medium aggressive use. Well priced, good feedback for a Sport Tour tire.

Michelin Pilot Road 2 Decent wear, sporadic availability issues, front prone to cupping, acceptable traction, slow to warm up.

Continental ? Not a big fan.

Pirelli? The Diablo Rosso is an excellent all around tire with acceptable wear for an SS tire and great traction.

Shinko 009 2. tried on the Bandit, seemed hard and lacked feel
Not a big fan.

Sport
Dunlop Qualifiers ?Not a big fan of the Qualifiers, the Q2's work o.k. but I don't like how they wear nor how traction really drops off with wear.

Bridgestone BT016 Currently one of my favorites, great wear for an SS tire, excellent traction and feedback, good traction even as it wears,

Michelin Pilot Power 1. still my Fav all around. Good wear, grip, great feel
Good wear for an SS tire, sporadic availability issues, front very prone to cupping, good traction, slow to warm up. Getting a bit long in the tooth technology wise. IMO there's better / newer tires out there.

Metzler M3? 3. felt ok at first, front wore really strange, didn't care for them Old technology, rapid wear, traction really drops off with wear. The new M5 is better, but I have not had enough of them out there to get a good feedback on them yet.

Pirelli Diablo Corsa Now called the Diablo Rosso Corsa, very suited for very aggressive street/track use, great front tire feedback, good mid corner bump compliance, wears fair for that genre.

Continental? Not a big fan

Shinko 005 2. stick at first, turned in slow, grip went away fast after 1500-2000 miles Suck


Sport/Track

Michelin Pilot Power 2CT 1. stick like glue, but don't last long on a heavy bike and heavy wrist Prone to cupping, the new Pure is better but not enough feedback yet to develop a good opinion

Bridgestone BT003 Good midrange tire, getting a bit old but forgiving and consistent as well as inexpensive

Pirelli Diablo Corsa Rosso Turns well, traction is very good as is feedback, wear is fair/acceptable, really good track day tire.

Shinko 003 2. U-soft is sticky, but heavy tires and hard to balance
Sucks, doesn't even belong in this category

Tires are always subjective, however I try to base my opinions not just by how my bikes feel and wear with them but also by gathering data from the customers we sell them to.
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+1 to others adding to this! After only 3,000 miles my stock rear tire is beginning to get that flat ring around it. Ironic since I do nothing but ride country roads and twisties. I wonder how many guys get excited about getting new tires.


I got over 9k on the stock tires which were Bridgestone BT021's. I hated that they didn't "hook up" on back roads because they are a hard compound. Great for long distance sport touring but not for trying to hang in the corners at excessive speeds

I now have Bridgestone BT016's. I do like the fact that the centers still have a semi-hard compound and the sides are nice and soft once they've heated up, they grip well. I'm hoping to get another set in the next month.
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bikes: Bandit 1200S, ZX-12R
riding style: spirited back roads, back road trips

Sport Touring

Dunlop Roadsmarts 1. Wearing well, stick good, good feel on turn in
Bridgestone BT021/23
Michelin Pilot Road 2
Continental ?
Pirelli?
Shinko 009 2. tried on the Bandit, seemed hard and lacked feel


Sport

Dunlop Qualifiers ?
Bridgestone BT016
Michelin Pilot Power 1. still my Fav all around. Good wear, grip, great feel
Metzler M3? 3. felt ok at first, front wore really strange, didn't care for them
Pirelli Diablo Corsa
Continental?
Shinko 005 2. stick at first, turned in slow, grip went away fast after 1500-2000 miles

Sport/Track

Michelin Pilot Power 2CT 1. stick like glue, but don't last long on a heavy bike and heavy wrist
Bridgestone BT003
Pirelli Diablo Corsa Rosso
Shinko 003 2. U-soft is sticky, but heavy tires and hard to balance



Bike used: Gsxr 750: Pirelli dragon pro's (r/s) tire.
Very good track/street tire for agressive street riding & and can attest to very agressive track riding also. Wear decent on the street but only expect 2500 to 3000mi out of them.. Fronts lasted me 4+ trackdays, rears only last 3-4 trackdays (lvl 3 pace). My last one still had tread after 4 days, but was getting squirely. Just going to get retired for a street tire now. Heat up pretty quick on the track, and last very good even without running warmers.
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I have a new BT016 190/55 on the way, so a review will be forth coming.....
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I have a new BT016 190/55 on the way, so a review will be forth coming.....
I'd guess that 12R must be on your tires.
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I'd guess that 12R must be on your tires.



nahhh... I have an extra set of wheels for the "hooligan" mode and I am trying to figure what it likes best. But my usual fun rides are 300 miles or so of spirited back roads, so tires do get abused.. and the bike is fat and so am I!

I like the Pilot Power, but the 180 on the 6" wide rim is stretched a bit.. not really pushing and it has no chicken strips...

I want the taller rear tire for more front end loading, without dropping the forks any, since these things are known for dragging the edge of the fairings at full lean... plus the narrower profile makes changing directions easier.

Plus I scored a deal on a set of Marchesini wheels, so I'll try the BT016 on them and see how I like them...
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Update from new tires on the 12R

BT-016, 190/55 rear.. did 850 miles over 4 days in the Deals Gap/NC/TN area. Stick like glue, showing good wear, hard to get to the edge of the rear tire. Granted, we were riding pretty spirited at times, but never gonzo due to the long ways from home.

My only complaint is I have a hard time getting good feedback from these tires. They never did anything wrong, but lacked "feel" to me. I guess I am used to slightly less grip and a softer carcass. Time will tell.
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BT-016, 190/55 rear..
My only complaint is I have a hard time getting good feedback from these tires. They never did anything wrong, but lacked "feel" to me. I guess I am used to slightly less grip and a softer carcass. Time will tell.
I feel the same way about the BT016. They seem to do everything well, but they are just kinda there. Before those I was running the Corsa III. I loved those tires. I've got 2 more sets of tires in the garage, but after those are done I'm trying the Corsa Rosso
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I waiting to try the Q2's. I love the 2CT's and the PP1. They wear fast, but I dont care. The both offered good feel and turn in. For drag racing its real hard to beat the Shinko 003. The new Shinko Hook Up is a little better,but not by much. Just don't expect any turn in or feel on them.BT015's wear good but I didn't have great confidence in them.
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BT016s... My fav tire out there now. Good wear. Heat up quickly, and stick well for street tires. (~7k on fr, 4-4.5k on rear)

the competition..... 2CTs....similar grip when warm, slightly better tip in, wear faster, take double the time to build heat. (~6k on fr. 3-3.5k on rear)

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I wouldnt hesitate to run either. Both are great tires. For the price difference, BT016s win every time.
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I feel the same way about the BT016. They seem to do everything well, but they are just kinda there. Before those I was running the Corsa III. I loved those tires. I've got 2 more sets of tires in the garage, but after those are done I'm trying the Corsa Rosso
Pirellis get good reveiws. Guess I'll try them when the Stones wear out...

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I haven't tried a lot of different tires, but they were the first and only ones to make me say "wow, I really like these" as opposed to just saying they worked well. I noticed the BT016's are much taller than the Pirelli's too. BTW I run 190/55 in both.
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The turn in on the 180 is much better, but it is just too narrow for my 6 inch rim. I can get to the edge of the tire way too easy, where the 190/55 makes me work harder to remove those chicken strips.

The front BT016 turns pretty colors of blue after some hard use on the Dragon..
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