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Old 07-09-2006, 01:16 PM   #1
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track times...

Ok, question is whats the average lap time for novice and experts at MSRH....I just wanted to get a feel for the speed needed to be fast there.
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it'll take you several T/D's to get comfy enough to run a decent time. Times aren't that important. gotta learn how to go around the track first.
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i havent pushed it enough there up try and time myself. carbonr1 is an expert and can probaly show yoy the lines
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it'll take you several T/D's to get comfy enough to run a decent time. Times aren't that important. gotta learn how to go around the track first.

i didnt mean for me...my brother asked that question to me i didnt know, i meant i general. i just wanted to know the times also. yeah i wanna get more seat time b4 i even goto the track, but now i know that i like it at least, i only have about 2k miles so far freeway and street, so i got alot of learning to do, i just wanted to know i general the times....... thanks anyway :icon_bigg
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lap record is about 1:41
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Ok, question is whats the average lap time for novice and experts at MSRH....I just wanted to get a feel for the speed needed to be fast there.
ah... ok... well... probably a better way to gauge speed is by the 'pace' of each group... as you are probably aware, there are three groups - beginner, intermediate and racer

well... within the racer group - THAT'S where you find novices/experts...

novice time would probably be gianni/ufo34/carbonr1... they're all hella fast... expert would probably someone like jason keene, the lms school instructor...

there are also pro's in the racer group... like haner & sanchez...

but carbonr1 or buck can probably tell you what the average 'pace' is for the beginner, intermediate & racer groups out there...

but the initial focus for a new track rider should not be on lap times, but rather maintaining proper form, holding proper lines and maintaining throttle and breaking control through the turns...
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Without there being any races held out there yet, it would be hard to say. Hopefully next year CMRA will race there next year and we will see.
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i would say just guessing
Nov. somewhere around 2:15 to 2:30

Inter. around 1:58 to 2:15

Expert. 1:50's down to like Henry said, in the low 1:40's and that's for the guys who live on that track..
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i would say just guessing
Nov. somewhere around 2:15 to 2:30

Inter. around 1:58 to 2:15

Expert. 1:50's down to like Henry said, in the low 1:40's and that's for the guys who live on that track..
That's a good guess. I cornerworked today and timed quite a few riders. This is what most of them in each group are running.
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i didnt mean for me...my brother asked that question to me i didnt know, i meant i general. i just wanted to know the times also. yeah i wanna get more seat time b4 i even goto the track, but now i know that i like it at least, i only have about 2k miles so far freeway and street, so i got alot of learning to do, i just wanted to know i general the times....... thanks anyway :icon_bigg
The best place to learn IS the track. You will learn more in one day there than you will learn in a year on the street about how to ride a motorcycle. The street is WAY too dangerous for riding these bikes the way they were built to run.

As for times, most first time guys are doing wel to be in the 2:teens. The lap record for 1k's is a low :36 by Haner. The 600 record is a low :40. Most of the instructors are capable of high :40's, some in the low :40's. The best way to get fast is by going slow. The old addage is true!! Start in the novice group, pay attention to the instructors, and you'll be throwin' down flyers in short order. Come see us soon.
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The best place to learn IS the track. You will learn more in one day there than you will learn in a year on the street about how to ride a motorcycle. The street is WAY too dangerous for riding these bikes the way they were built to run.

As for times, most first time guys are doing wel to be in the 2:teens. The lap record for 1k's is a low :36 by Haner. The 600 record is a low :40. Most of the instructors are capable of high :40's, some in the low :40's. The best way to get fast is by going slow. The old addage is true!! Start in the novice group, pay attention to the instructors, and you'll be throwin' down flyers in short order. Come see us soon.
I was kind of wondering the same. I had a blast at the BBQ, and it got me wanting to try a trackday. I'm thinking the one on 9/15. . . in novice obviously. The thing is, I only have about 4,000 miles under my belt. I'm not too afraid to lean it over or get into it at all, but I'm not to sure how I would stack up againt the others there. I really just don't want to get in the way of others too much that paid good money to go have fun just to have me hold them back every few laps. Think I'll be ok out there, or should i wait a bit longer? Sorry if it sounds dumb, but I really don't know the avg. skill level out there, and the avg. lap times don't mean much since I've only been around a few times, and at a much slower pace.
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I was kind of wondering the same. I had a blast at the BBQ, and it got me wanting to try a trackday. I'm thinking the one on 9/15. . . in novice obviously. The thing is, I only have about 4,000 miles under my belt. I'm not too afraid to lean it over or get into it at all, but I'm not to sure how I would stack up againt the others there. I really just don't want to get in the way of others too much that paid good money to go have fun just to have me hold them back every few laps. Think I'll be ok out there, or should i wait a bit longer? Sorry if it sounds dumb, but I really don't know the avg. skill level out there, and the avg. lap times don't mean much since I've only been around a few times, and at a much slower pace.
get out there. you will be surprised you arent the only one. LMS is a great track day provider.
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my first track day was memorial day and ive been hooked ever since. july 17th wi;; be my 3rd since memorial day. and i have lots more lined up. thanks to art and javi for encouraging me.
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The best way to get fast is by going slow. The old addage is true!!
Very true! Doing the parade lap on saturday I thought would be a waste of time but it helped to see things at a slow pace, it's like scoping out your shot for pool. Even the motoGP guys usually do a lap or two on scooters before practice to get a feel for the track at a reduced speed.
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just remember, you may THINK you're fast but, their is always someone faster.. So dont go out there trying to impress someone.. go out spend the day riding at a leisurely pace and have fun.. it's well worth the cost.
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but the initial focus for a new track rider should not be on lap times, but rather maintaining proper form, holding proper lines and maintaining throttle and braking control through the turns...
this is it right here, for all the new track riders, chances are your not gonna be nicky outta the box. so take your time and learn to ride. you don't get faster by crashing alot. and if you get really serious, you'll try the mini-gp or move to an SV , where HP is not the fix all. learning to ride the bike is alot more important, then what your actually riding.
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this is it right here, for all the new track riders, chances are your not gonna be nicky outta the box. so take your time and learn to ride. you don't get faster by crashing alot. and if you get really serious, you'll try the mini-gp or move to an SV , where HP is not the fix all. learning to ride the bike is alot more important, then what your actually riding.

I don't care about being fast right now. I'd rather get the lines and form down first. Fast will come along eventually.
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i would say just guessing
Nov. somewhere around 2:15 to 2:30

Inter. around 1:58 to 2:15

Expert. 1:50's down to like Henry said, in the low 1:40's and that's for the guys who live on that track..
...interesting.

To the couple of guys that said they're nervous about getting out on the track without much experience, I truly understand how you feel. My current bike is the first bike I have ever owned myself and I was nervous about getting in people's way even in the novice group. My first track day saw me out there with less than 3k mi on my bike and I was surprised that I was NOT the only slow guy out there. But more importantly I learned far more about braking quickly yet smoothly, and how to control the throttle than I ever did in my MSF class or from riding on the street. Now I'm a better street rider...and a much slower one as I realize the dangers and don't feel a need to haul on public roads any more.

Like others have said, just sign up for one of Bucks trackdays at MSRH. And be SURE to take the class and absorb and try everything that they teach you. Then go out there at your "slow" pace, do what they tell you and the speed will start coming without you even realizing it. Also, watch multiple instructors lines and riding positions because someone might do something just a little differently that works well for you.

Oh and don't worry about the other guys on the track, ride your line and they will just go around you if they want. No big deal. You spent $180 to take a MSF class to learn how not to drop your bike. Now go spend $175 to go learn how to actually ride that bike!

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