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Old 07-26-2010, 03:23 PM   #21
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The obvious answer is to cut your toes off and get smaller boots.
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Old 07-26-2010, 03:29 PM   #22
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The obvious answer is to cut your toes off and get smaller boots.
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Old 07-26-2010, 03:41 PM   #23
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Old 07-26-2010, 03:42 PM   #24
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Proper body/feet/arm position is a mystery to me. I know what people tell me to do...but it doesn't feel right to me.

Toes in toes out. More off the seat. Head lower. Shoulder out more. Arms up. Arms down. Forearms on tank. Forearms not on tank. me...just wanna be faster.
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Old 07-26-2010, 03:45 PM   #25
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Old 07-26-2010, 03:50 PM   #26
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Interesting vantage points...

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Old 07-26-2010, 03:52 PM   #27
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Sweet pic, wish I could of found that earlier.... I think some how he missed the fact we were talking about why your foot would touch the ground before your peg... Only logical explination for the pics he posted of the side furthest off the ground.

Your pic illustrates both sides in 1 shot, thx! Shows alot of detail about alot of things really there....
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Seems like they keep the inner foot high and tight for ground clearance and their outter foot down and turned so they can spread their legs better. At least that's what makes sense to me...

The rear-most riders knee is much closer to being down than his foot/rearset.
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Seems like they keep the inner feet high and tight for ground clearance and their outter feet down and turned so they can spread their legs better. At least that's what makes sense to me...
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I guess this would be the not so....ideal (?) way of doing it.

Outside foot tight and down and inside foot tight and down. I guess preventing him from spreading his legs, getting him lower on the bike and dragging his foot and hard parts..

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Makes for a nifty pic though!
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Old 07-26-2010, 04:03 PM   #32
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Makes for a nifty pic though!
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Maybe another clear example...

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The only absolute is...

There are no absolutes here fellas.

There are a few "knowns" about body postion, the most important thing is rider comfort, largely there are no absolutes. By that I don't mean the rider should feel like he's riding a Goldwing or something, but that you should be relaxed and comfortable. If you're listening to somone who preaches "the" body position, caveat emptor.

If you're leaned over on a motorcycle in a corner and your toes are pointed outward, you're probably going to drag 'em once you lean over far enough. That said, there are plenty of fast guys out there that ride with their toes pointed outward, just like there are plenty of fast guys that ride "crossed up" on the motorcycle instead of the "textbook" way.

If you're dragging your toes and don't want to, then don't point your toes out. If you have stock rearsets and feel like they are too low and your dragging your toes, get some aftermarket rearsets and raise 'em up.

For me it didn't matter if I had my toes pointed in, out, up, or down, with stock pegs I was dragging them and my rearsets; they were simply too low. Seems to be pretty consistent with every other person I know who has an '06+ 600 or 750 GSXR once they get to a certain level of proficiency on track.
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Old 07-26-2010, 04:25 PM   #35
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If your not in your comfort zone how can you be fast?
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Old 07-26-2010, 04:25 PM   #36
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There are no absolutes here fellas.

There are a few "knowns" about body postion, the most important thing is rider comfort, largely there are no absolutes. By that I don't mean the rider should feel like he's riding a Goldwing or something, but that you should be relaxed and comfortable. If you're listening to somone who preaches "the" body position, caveat emptor.

If you're leaned over on a motorcycle in a corner and your toes are pointed outward, you're probably going to drag 'em once you lean over far enough. That said, there are plenty of fast guys out there that ride with their toes pointed outward, just like there are plenty of fast guys that ride "crossed up" on the motorcycle instead of the "textbook" way.

If you're dragging your toes and don't want to, then don't point your toes out. If you have stock rearsets and feel like they are too low and your dragging your toes, get some aftermarket rearsets and raise 'em up.
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Old 07-26-2010, 04:26 PM   #37
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If your not in your comfort zone how can you be fast?
As far as your body goes I can see that. But if you never push your comfort zone you'll never get faster. Push it to a certain degree. It hurts to go WAY out of it and find out the hard (ground) way...
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Old 07-26-2010, 05:38 PM   #38
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this is the internet. there will be good advice and bad advice spread throughout all the forums and write-ups. you can argue all day but in the end, there's more than 1 way to skin a pig.

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Agree that vortex has a very agressive grip in compairision to other brands, I have both woodcraft and vortex (vortex currently on bike) if you would like to check out the quality and or design of both side by side. Also yes you can lowside from them touching down, I did at TWS (Texas World Speedway) 2 months ago... Funny thing is I was still keeping my foot out the way, never felt it touch until both wheels were off the ground and I was on my ...
I did the exact same thing on my very first trackday with the vortex's. Had them adjusted down (and didnt think it was a big deal). All it took was for me to get crossed up just a little, and down I went rolling off turn 16 at MSRH into the grass.. got back up and dusted myself off. Then rode the rest of the day, but I was sore for a few after that, and I messed up my new suit
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Yeah I was all the way up and back whenever it happend.... honestly didn't expect it

Not text book body position but isn't way off par doubt it would of saved the low side even if i had my elbow in shoulder out further.... but either way it is a good example of how much lean we are talking about before a lowside from leveraging off the sets....

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