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Old 07-22-2010, 08:49 AM   #21
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When a motorcyclist goes into a shop to buy a helmet and starts reading the stickers and labels on the helmets for sale, he or she is likely to have some questions. This is because in spite of interest and lip service to international harmonization, there are still numerous performance standards for motorcycle helmets.

Some are government standards and others issued by private organizations. These standards differ in many ways but are similar in that they measure a helmet’s ability to absorb impact. The effectiveness of the retention system that keeps the helmet on the head is also tested as are accessories such as face shields.

Equally important, although not directly addressed by helmet standards, are wearability issues such as comfort, ventilation, weight, fit, cost, appearance, and availability. There are two ageless helmet maxims that the reader should be aware of. First is that if you can tell the helmet designers exactly what your crash will be, they can make you the best possible helmet for that particular crash. Second is that the best helmet possible won’t protect you if you’re not wearing it.

Motorcycle helmets are designed, manufactured, and tested to meet performance standards. These performance tests drive the helmet design and the measured performance of the helmets in laboratory testing, and therefore accident performance as well. In spite of the similarity of purpose, the methods and requirements vary dramatically from standard to standard.

Some are relatively simple, and others are far more complex. It is important to note that none of the standards are meant to precisely replicate the threats that a motorcyclist may see in a crash. This is primarily due to the need for reliability and repeatability in the testing environment, to say nothing of the variability of actual crashes.

There have been several studies of motorcycle crashes over the last 25 years that have attempted to evaluate any protective advantage or disadvantage of helmets meeting one standard or another (Hurt, 1981; Otte, 1991). No advantage has ever been shown in these field studies for any particular standard, so the helmet industry and individual riders are left comparing theoretical pros and cons of the various standards.

That is not to say that research has not shown important differences in helmets. Since helmets protect best what they cover most, additional coverage has always been found to provide additional protection: a full-facial coverage helmet has more protection than an open-face which has more coverage and protection than a shorty (partial coverage) helmet.

Research in California (Hurt, et al, 1981) showed that 90% of real life crash impacts are at or below the impact requirements of the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 218, performance standard for motorcycle helmets (also known as FMVSS 218 or DOT).


It is critical to note that helmets have been continually shown to be effective in reducing head injury, regardless of what standard they might meet. The only noteworthy exception is the novelty helmet worn in protest of mandatory helmet use laws. These “helmets” do not meet any standard and cannot be expected to provide meaningful head protection.

In the United States, there have historically been two helmet standards applicable to motorcycle helmets. The FMVSS 218 or DOT is the mandatory U.S. government standard that all motorcycle helmets must meet to be legal for sale and use on public roads and highways.

This standard was first issued in 1974 and was updated in 1980 and again in 1988. Much work has been done toward another update in the near future. The second standard is issued by the Snell Memorial Foundation, a private organization that issues its own motorcycle helmet standard.

A third helmet standard from the Economic Community of Europe (ECE) is actually the most commonly used internationally, the ECE 22.05, required by over 50 countries worldwide. While helmet standards all have the goal of regulating helmet performance for protection of riders’ heads, some performance requirements conflict between standards.

A major benefit for U.S. riders is that the ECE 22.05 standard does not directly conflict with the DOT standard. Limited testing shows that ECE qualified helmets will also meet the demands of FMVSS 218. Of course, not all DOT helmets will meet ECE 22.05 because the European standard does require testing at higher velocities than DOT.

Another advantage of the ECE 22.05 standard is the requirement for mandatory batch testing of helmets before they are released to the riding public. What this means to the consumer is the quality of the helmet in meeting the ECE 22.05 standard is assured by a mandatory sample testing of every production of helmets before they leave the factory, not with random testing performed after thousands of helmets with unknown quality are delivered to the dealers.

No one helmet designed to a particular standard or standards can provide the maximum protection in all types of crashes and no helmet can protect the wearer against all foreseeable impacts. Helmets can be designed to provide additional protection, for example, full-face helmets compared to the open-face types, but added protection comes with a weight penalty.

How much weight are you willing to wear? If you reject helmets with less coverage, you will end up with a helmet that covers most of your head and weighs about three pounds. By choosing a helmet meeting a high performance standard such as ECE 22.05, you can minimize that weight while maximizing protection.

Summary

If you’re not comfortable with a helmet that only meets the US Government DOT standard, what do you look for? Historically, American riders have looked for a Snell label but the world is getting smaller and we now have other viable alternatives. The ECE 22.05 standard is used in over 50 European countries, including Germany, a country known for taking a hard line on personal protection.

Helmets certified to the ECE 22.05 standard are approved for competition events by AMA, CCS, FIM, Formula-USA and WERA and are chosen by nearly every professional motorcycle racers competing in world championship road racing, motocross and off road events, including the ultimate sport of Moto GP. Helmets that are certified to both DOT and ECE 22.05 offer the highest level of realistic protection with the added benefit of light weight for day-long comfort and rider performance.
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:22 AM   #22
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i just say get a better helmet. Im not getting into a debate here about whats better than the other... I will say that i do know the comfort and durability is allot better on my SHARK. I picked it up for 225 on closeout from 2wheeltoyz and it fits my melon better than any other brand out there. You would be suprised if you talk to Patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited, or any of the guys at 2wheeltoyz about the deals they will give you. Look at close out models and you will get you a better helmet for just a lil bit more money
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:27 AM   #23
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Lol.....I go to HEB for everything that Kroger has. For a better price. Lol......
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Old 07-22-2010, 11:43 AM   #24
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or any of the guys at 2wheeltoyz about the deals they will give you.
I went in there and the guy tried to bend me over. Don't plan on going back.




I'm happy with my HJC CL-16 that I got for less than $100 online. However, I do plan on getting something with more ventilation and less wind noise next time and will be happy to pay more (within reason) for it.

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Old 07-22-2010, 11:59 AM   #25
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who did you speak with???
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who did you speak with???
Bigger, older guy.
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A friend of mine ran over his old arai he didnt want anymore and nothing happened to that helmet just got more scratched.. Wish i had a vid to prove it.
i wish you had the video to prove it too...
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Lol.....I go to HEB for everything that Kroger has. For a better price. Lol......
I go because there's more hot jailbait cashiers
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I spit coffee on my screen when I read this.

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I spit coffee on my screen when I read this.

I LOLed
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FWIW, I can't remember where I read the article and it was a few years ago but it was about
DOT or SNELL going back into their inventory from like 10 years ago and retesting old helmets.
The jist of the article is that they were quite surprised by how well 10+ year old helmets did.

I think you should buy what you can afford and wear it. A $100 helmet that fits
strapped on your head is worth more then a $500 helmet strapped on the seat...

Just saying.
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i see the helmets in the stunt game they must be good
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worry more about what fits you best and as long as it DOT/Snell approved. Name brand is alot of show in my opinion.... Overall there are many good helments out there without having to pay $600 +
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