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Old 07-03-2010, 11:11 AM   #1
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Racing fatalities... stats?

Anyone have any stats (exact or rough estimates) on racing fatalities in the area? Just wondering...

(not trying to pick on any org like CMRA just curious how many people die a year in the sport)
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Old 07-03-2010, 11:39 AM   #2
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Localy? As in CMRA and TMGP? Ryan Smith and the guy with TMGP when they went to the Waco track. I think his last name was Walton?

There was one guy on a non-race weekend practice at OH and I think that is it since the early '90s.

I'm sure there will be others to chime in.

Racing is actually pretty safe.
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Old 07-03-2010, 11:40 AM   #3
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i dont know about the rate, but texas tracks are amoung the most unsafe tracks for racing bikes. ( ECR cough cough...) no safe run off areas, nothing, the tracks are designed for cars not bikes. i wish someone somewhere would put safety standards and regulations for race tracks, particularly those for racing motorcycles.
its a dangerous sport for sure, but saving someones life or well being by making the race enviroment safer is priceless.


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TWS (Texas World Speedway) is the most dangerous track in Texas I believe
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No idea, but I,m sure there are alot more fatalities on the street for sure
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:19 PM   #6
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TWS (Texas World Speedway) is a speedway and designed for cars. The speeds are higher at TWS (Texas World Speedway) which contribute to the ambulance rides. Hallet is crazy with tire walls everywhere and runoff that drops off and has ruts from water runoff. Oakhill, while a favorite of mine, is crazy as well but was definately not designed for motorcycles. MSR-Cresson is pretty safe with level/flat run off. I don't think any of these tracks were designed with motorcycles in mind (TWS (Texas World Speedway), Hallet, Oakhill, or Cresson). MSR-Houston probably had a good idea motorcycles would be using it. Harris Hill, I don't have any knowledge of. However, bottomline is WE CHOOSE to race or do trackdays on these car tracks. We accept the responsibility and accept the inherent nature of the sport. If you don't like the track and think its unsafe...you don't have to ride/participate. Besides, none of these tracks were built with the idea of attracting pro racing. Note - RIP Oakhill Raceway (I wonder what's going to happen to the squirrel that likes to hangout on the track between T6-T7)
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No idea, but I,m sure there are alot more fatalities on the street for sure
Indeed, tis why I play on the track. I'm just curious is all.

IF ONLY I was a multi-millionaire, I would build a motorcycle-specific track... NO cars, just scooters! You would all be invited...

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Old 07-03-2010, 12:35 PM   #8
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I can't wait to have a real job and be able to afford play-dates at the track Hurry up and make those millions for us
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Indeed, tis why I play on the track. I'm just curious is all.

IF ONLY I was a multi-millionaire, I would build a motorcycle-specific track... NO cars, just scooters! You would all be invited...
although not local, the deaths I've witnessed/heard of, have been from the unfortunate victim being hit by a following rider and had little if anything to do with the track!!!
just saying

however, I'd rather ride a safer bike specific course given the choice and narrow the odds of serious injury so please do it
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Indeed, tis why I play on the track. I'm just curious is all.

IF ONLY I was a multi-millionaire, I would build a motorcycle-specific track... NO cars, just scooters! You would all be invited...
and you track would hemorrhage money relentlessly you have to include cars to make money. with that said you can make them for bikes and cars.
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Another thing to note, now that "The Wall" at TWS (Texas World Speedway) is gone (some of you noobs don't even know about it), Hallet has more tire wall incidents. I honestly thing Hallet had more rider vs. tire wall than TWS (Texas World Speedway) could imagine...especially going clockwise.
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and you track would hemorrhage money relentlessly you have to include cars to make money. with that said you can make them for bikes and cars.

If I'm a MULTI-MILLIONAIRE I would be investing money elsewhere, something with less risk and a greater return. The track, on the other hand, would be purely for the enjoyement of me and my friends. A side benefit would be hosting club and professional level racing.

There would be some exclusions on who is allowed in... and rest assured, your name would certainly be on that list.
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Maybe the question should be, what track has had the most SERIOUS injuries?

It seems like Oak Hill (RIP) had a LOT of people getting hurt, and the last fatality if I'm not mistaken.
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Maybe the question should be, what track has had the most SERIOUS injuries?

It seems like Oak Hill (RIP) had a LOT of people getting hurt, and the last fatality if I'm not mistaken.
I remember one year at OHR when there was a lifeflight helicopter loading a racer and another hovering waiting to land. I've also seen 3 lifeflights in one day at MSR-Cresson as well.
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Maybe the question should be, what track has had the most SERIOUS injuries?

It seems like Oak Hill (RIP) had a LOT of people getting hurt, and the last fatality if I'm not mistaken.
There's arguments that TWS (Texas World Speedway) is more dangerous than Oak Hill... I don't think Oak Hill had a fatality at a CMRA event if Im not mistaken.
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Maybe the question should be, what track has had the most SERIOUS injuries?

It seems like Oak Hill (RIP) had a LOT of people getting hurt, and the last fatality if I'm not mistaken.
+1 how many people have wound up paralyzed or with some type of brain damage
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+1 how many people have wound up paralyzed or with some type of brain damage
Or how many of us have matching collar bone scars.
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TWS (Texas World Speedway) is no where as unsafe as ECR, IMO

there are rivers flowing across, major seepage, mud pits if you run off, and the armco barrier between T8 and T9.

the new sinkhole at TWS (Texas World Speedway) in between T1 and T2 is a nice addition.

Cresson is my favorite track, can't wait to race there next weekend
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Old 07-05-2010, 01:07 AM   #20
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Armco, & Tire Wall at T8 and T9 was removed 2 seasons ago.
Seventy Five foot of the Concrete wall along the back stretch @ the crossover of the oval was also removed.
An additional 150 ft. of galvanized pipe was installed for drainage behind the back stretch wall as well.

Ride Smarts right hand man Dave Wonders was one of the administrating forces who got the changes up and going along with support from Ronnie Lunsford and Craig Abbott. Those two paid dearly on one weekend at that corner. Rusty Rush who manages TWS (Texas World Speedway) was very helpful in pushing the job through with the owner at the time.

Don Meador provided the Crane to lift the Armco sections out of the way.
Yours truly here did the Dozer and Tractor work.
Also there were 15 to 20 CMRA member who put in a good days work in T8 and T9. Their help was very valuable and much appreciated.

Since this change and the redirection of the track NOT going up onto the banking off the backstretch TWS (Texas World Speedway) is considerably alot safer then in the past.

The Higher Speeds contribute to TWS (Texas World Speedway)'s concerns. If anything that would make TWS (Texas World Speedway) safer it would be a really nice smooth pave job. Then not letting ANY, ANY...type of racing or driving on the new surface for at least a two week period so the surface could cure. Tim.
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