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Old 06-30-2010, 07:16 PM   #1
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kicking over a 4 stroke

ok this is embarassing to say the least. i just bought my first 4stroke dirtbike, owned a few 2 stokes before but this is my first thumper, i cannot for the life of my kick this somma bia over! it died on me in the trails yesterday and took me about 20 minutes to finally get it, guy at the shop can kick it over in 2-3 kicks, i sat out side today to try and start it to ride alittle and couldnt. it has a brand new plug and all that. whats the secret? i know the compression release would help but the guy never used it at the shop and i kicked it over without it yesterday. im outta shape and im a little guy so i cant keep on and keep on before i just say ef it..... its a 2002 yz250f btw


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Old 06-30-2010, 07:17 PM   #2
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forgot to mention when it died i stalled it going up a hill, nothing the bike did, just me
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Old 06-30-2010, 07:19 PM   #3
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I rode a honda 450 and i had to roll it over to comp stroke the press the decomp button and on full choke kick the t out of it . A good pair of boots helps otherwise it will tear up the arch of your foot
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lol, i tried to push start it once today but it didnt work. im getting a full kick outta it i guess just not hard enough?
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Old 06-30-2010, 07:21 PM   #6
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Compression release is for hot starts(like when you killed it in the trails yesterday). Where are you located? I've had a few 450's that were to get kicked over until you get them figured out. Make sure you're kicking the full range, ie: from all the way at the top to the very bottom, you shouldn't need to give it any throttle, choke is on(on cold starts), decompression lever is off, and fuel is on.
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I rode a honda 450 and i had to roll it over to comp stroke the press the decomp button and on full choke kick the t out of it . A good pair of boots helps otherwise it will tear up the arch of your foot
yea, my hunting boots are seeing better days....
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Compression release is for hot starts(like when you killed it in the trails yesterday). Where are you located? I've had a few 450's that were to get kicked over until you get them figured out. Make sure you're kicking the full range, ie: from all the way at the top to the very bottom, you shouldn't need to give it any throttle, choke is on(on cold starts), decompression lever is off, and fuel is on.
located in tomball/magnolia border, decker hills i guess. i have to hold on to a fence or something just to touch the ground to even try and kick it
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I'll be in Stagecoach tomorrow, I could swing by if you'd like
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i live on Ansley right before timbergreen by the valero.... i dont get off work till 5:30
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I'll probably be out there all day, I'll swing by and give it a try, maybe we can figure it out
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I'll probably be out there all day, I'll swing by and give it a try, maybe we can figure it out
cool man, i really just need someone to show me the best way... this whole thread is embarassing to me and was my last resort but im tired of it. lol


just give me a call around 5:30 tomorrow. 281-673-9090. do you ride offroad?
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Your kick starter will only turn your motor over one revolution. It is very important that you start with the piston JUST PAST TDC. (Just starting the power stroke)
To find TDC push on the kick starter until you feel the compression of the piston then keep moving slowly until it just gos over the top. this should be easy to feel.
move the kick starter back to the top.
Jump on it.

This is how I kick start my KTM 620. If if does not fire off by the 3rd kick something else is usually wrong.

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You kick it slowly to TDC after the compression stroke. Then real slowly put pressure on the kick starter till it barely rolls over. You feel it click. That's it going right past TDC. Just at the top/start of the power/ignition stroke. Stop there. Let the kick start lever go all the way back up to the top. Then give it one good swift kick with all you got. If it doesn't start. Then do it again. And don't twist the gas till it's running. That will just flood it.
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I was gonna ask if you are making sure the piston was TDC as well. Make the most out of that kick.
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I don't know if you are aware of this so don't take offense.
When push starting, shift to 2nd gear, then release the clutch. Many make the mistake of trying to use 1st, which will just lock the back tire. 2nd gives better mechanical advantage to turn the motor over.
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Your kick starter will only turn your motor over one revolution. It is very important that you start with the piston JUST PAST TDC. (Just starting the power stroke)
To find TDC push on the kick starter until you feel the compression of the piston then keep moving slowly until it just gos over the top. this should be easy to feel.
move the kick starter back to the top.
Jump on it.

This is how I kick start my KTM 620. If if does not fire off by the 3rd kick something else is usually wrong.

Yeah like I forgot to turn the petcock on
This is about the same way I kick mine. I hold the decomp and roll it over about 5 times. Release the decomp and roll it over until it starts to build compression, kick start gets hard to cycle. Let the kick start come back up, pull the decomp to roll the kick starter 1/4 to 1/2 a kick stroke. Let the kick starter come back up and then your ready to give it a good committed kick. Though not recommended, I have started mine in house slippers. As mentioned by someone else, never give it any gas while kick starting, it might kick you back.
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