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Old 06-28-2010, 06:05 PM   #81
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CARB is California Air Resources Board.

It has zero authority outside the state of California.
Not really; read any emission label after 85' under the hood(I think that was the year) they all say 'CARB' since its cheaper to build for one regulation then multiple.

Any modifications over stock emissions can be evaluated.
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Not really; read any emission label after 85' under the hood(I think that was the year) they all say 'CARB' since its cheaper to build for one regulation then multiple.

Any modifications over stock emissions can be evaluated.
I can think of several manufacturers that did, in fact, build special versions of vehicles with "california specific" emissions.
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Not really; read any emission label after 85' under the hood(I think that was the year) they all say 'CARB' since its cheaper to build for one regulation then multiple.

Any modifications over stock emissions can be evaluated.
Multiple vehicles have California emissions Versus federal emissions.
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Not really; read any emission label after 85' under the hood(I think that was the year) they all say 'CARB' since its cheaper to build for one regulation then multiple.

Any modifications over stock emissions can be evaluated.
Yes really. CARB regulations apply ONLY to California. I can (and do) break them with utter impunity.

California Emissions were an added cost item on most cars until very recently. Manufacturers really did build two different versions. Why? Simple - the rest of the world didn't want a choked down version of the car. It was easy enough to build it as intended and then hang additional off of it to slow it down for CA.
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Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Analogies or Godwin's law of Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990 which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[3][2]

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right, hence the reason all have EPA and CARB emission stickers, regardless the state within the US market; and AM manufactorers can sell their products within dealers like Dinan, AMG etc; so long as their CARB patent label is installed near the EPA/CARB sticker.

Sorry I wasnt thinking outside this country.
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05 6series as an example w the California fuel code, Tier 2, LEV for federal and California regulation/year; the label is one of dinan's required CARB labels.
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right, hence the reason all have EPA and CARB emission stickers, regardless the state within the US market; and AM manufactorers can sell their products within dealers like Dinan, AMG etc; so long as their CARB patent label is installed near the EPA/CARB sticker.

Sorry I wasnt thinking outside this country.
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If the manufacturer makes a part which can be used in CA, he's going to affix a CARB label to it. It means it has been approved for use by CARB in CA.

CARB has no regulatory or legal authority outside of the state of California and there are a multitude of automotive products which do NOT meet with CARB approval for sale in the other 49 states.

Try to think of it as TUV approval on European products. Yes, they have to have that approval if the company wants to sell them in some European nations, but that does NOT mean TUV has any effect here in the US.
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Cali how many things aftermarket do you see that state not california emissions approved?
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05 6series as an example w the California fuel code, Tier 2, LEV for federal and California regulation/year; the label is one of dinan's required CARB labels.
I realize this may be difficult for someone from California to understand, but believe it or not, California doesn't really matter to anyone outside of California - it just THINKS it does.

Manufacturers didn't give every car CA emissions just because CA wanted them to. Gun makers didn't stop making real guns and switch to the neutered CA models. Performance parts makers didn't cease production of the really good stuff in favor of the reduced-capability stuff because the Gods of Sacto decreed it.

California is only relevant to California...
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