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Old 06-26-2010, 12:32 PM   #21
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meehhh that extreme. and someone mentioned gun laws in this.

is anyone really and moaning that it's illegeal to have automatic rifles, Bazookas, etc. ? there's a reasonable limit.

it just seems strange that some exotic cars are limited to 155...what's the Fing point of that?
There was sarcasm, you need to realize though not to give away freedom's for security. At all.
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Who determines whats reasonable? Why not just limit them to 75? Since people are incapable individuals we need to do it for them.
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our laws are written to protect the lowest common denominator. The slow, the dumb, and incapable.


Sure, most of US can make those curves doing 80...but most of the population cant make them at 20!

I dont think the rest of us should suffer freedoms in order to protect others.
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There was sarcasm, you need to realize though not to give away freedom's for security. At all.
ok. just don't exercise ur freedom to drink 10 beers and then hit the roads

it's not coincidence we have 70 mph speed limits on the highways. it's a reasonable speed for gas mileage and reaction time for ppl to drive safely and quickly.

but don't think i'm not jealous of the autobahn :( lucky bastards
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ok. just don't exercise ur freedom to drink 10 beers and then hit the roads

it's not coincidence we have 70 mph speed limits on the highways. it's a reasonable speed for gas mileage and reaction time for ppl to drive safely and quickly.

but don't think i'm not jealous of the autobahn :( lucky bastards
Theres no speed limit at the track???
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meehhh that extreme. and someone mentioned gun laws in this.
It isnt extreme. It is a concept known as freedom.
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is anyone really and moaning that it's illegeal to have automatic rifles, Bazookas, etc. ? there's a reasonable limit.
Yes, there ARE people who are really and moaning about the fact that, while it is LEGAL to own automatic weapons and Bazookas (or RPGs or large-caliber artillery) it is unnecessarily expensive to be able to do so.
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it just seems strange that some exotic cars are limited to 155...what's the Fing point of that?
The point of that is two-fold.

One is the tires, the other is a sort of handshake agreement amongst the European manufacturers.

The extreme exotics are not limited at all, but mass produced high-end cars tend to be governed at 155 MPH (Actually 250 KPH) because the manufacturers agreed on that speed to keep from trying to one-up each other.
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ok. just don't exercise ur freedom to drink 10 beers and then hit the roads
I'll exercise it if I well please, and I'll do so knowing I will pay the consequences.
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it's not coincidence we have 70 mph speed limits on the highways. it's a reasonable speed for gas mileage and reaction time for ppl to drive safely and quickly.
Uh, no. You're 100% wrong on THAT one my friend.

70mph (actually 65mph in a lot of places and as high as 80mph in TX or unlimited in a few western states) was a figure decided upon after a lot of quite scientific studies by insurance companies, NHTSA and AAA. It was repeatedly discovered that the majority of drivers, regardless of where they live in the world or what they drive, tend to drive at ....wait for it.... 70mph. Yeah - seriously - ~85% of all drivers naturally seek that speed - with or without speed limits. Gas mileage and reaction time don't have to do with it.

The 55mph speed limit was put in place specifically with the claim of it improving mileage - and it does - at the expense of a longer period of time on the road, so it ultimately becomes a wash.

The Interstate Highway System was designed to handle 1950s trucks moving freight at high (75+ mph) speeds across the US. Thats a fact, son. Look it up.

Considering that a 1950's truck, on its best day, is no where near as competent on the road as the biggest piece of made by ANY manufacturer in the last 30 years, I think its safe to say the roads and cars can handle much higher speeds.

I'm guessing you're too young to remember the 55mph days. You're also likely too young to remember the arguments over getting it removed. Many states, when it was first implemented, resisted it every step of the way. Nevada, in fact, was the LAST to accept it, and when they did, the state itself didn't much enforce it. You would, most times only receive a $5.00 ticket for wasting fuel. It was payable on the spot with no points attached to your license. Nevada also gave away an annual award for the highest speed recorded on a speeding ticket. Last I checked, the reigning king of that award did something north of 230mph in a 55 zone while driving a seriously well built Camaro.

The federal government resisted all efforts by the states to eliminate the 55mph limit until it became clear that the people were simply not going to obey the law anymore. The nanny-staters whined and complained and promised "blood in the streets", but oddly in the years immediately following the repeal, accidents - fatal and otherwise - dropped...a LOT.

Sorry for the thread hijack and the recent history lesson. If you want to know more, PM me or something and I'll send you some links.
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but don't think i'm not jealous of the autobahn :( lucky bastards
I'm not - its limited now. Has been for years. Besides, your average American driver has no business driving on something like that. Until we understand the concepts of lane discipline, signaling, etc. we need to enforce a lower limit.
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why does your car not get the mileage on the sticker?

Read the fine print on the sticker: City is considered 25mph, Highway is considered 45mph.


Governors on speed are also established for insurance rates(much like unusable rear seats on some cars to be classified as "family sedans" not "sports cars".)

Money buys what you want in this country. No amount of government regulation will prevent that. Look at our bikes; modifying the exhaust in any way is not carb approved but its not enforced.


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Read the fine print on the sticker: City is considered 25mph, Highway is considered 45mph.
I learned something new today

I think OP just wanted to get post counts up. Good topic though.
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Very valid thread from OP.

Its getting people to discuss, learn, debate.


As mentioned above, I didnt think about manufactorer governs for safety; After the busa came out motorcycle manufactorers did just that; agree to limit top speed and stop producing highspeed bikes. Kawi broke that
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Don't limit ALL because of the actions of a FEW dumba**es. Tommy the idiot likes to try and run people over at 10 mph, so limit it to 5. Doesn't make much sense eh? Why should I NOT be able to get away from some crazy at a higher speed? My frequent response to dangerous situations has usually been to break when needed, and for the rest: accelerate if that will get me away from a dangerous situation. Fastest I ever went on my last bike was 110 in order to get out of a large convoy of semi-trucks that were driving recklessly (don't know what the deal was, but there were some doing 60 and others doing all the way to about 85 or so).
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I'll exercise it if I well please, and I'll do so knowing I will pay the consequences.


The 55mph speed limit was put in place specifically with the claim of it improving mileage - and it does - at the expense of a longer period of time on the road, so it ultimately becomes a wash.

i enjoyed the history lesson, no worries. but dude, i really hope ur joking about drunk driving. u can ur self up, but drinking n driving affects thousands of others every year. 's wrong, should be punishable by death penalty, but that's a whole different subject.

also....gas mileage is a wash??? uhhh no.

lets say u drive 500 miles.....

55 mph u get 25mpg... . 500/25 = 20 gal. of gas
70 mph u get 20 mpg.... 500/20 = 25 gal. of gas used.

55 is ridiculous and way to slow, but it wasn't a wash. but as u mentioned, it was ignored by many. as is the 60 mph the current houston highway limit. very few ppl do that. 70 is the norm.

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In all honesty, when on the ae82, I usually go 55-65 and rarely over that. I'll probably do 70 to pass. Same on the other vehicles I drive.

I guess I lost interest in speeding *on a cage* since I started riding 2 wheels.
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same with my chevy pickup. fuel shut off at 100.

disagree with 95 - 150mph. crazy difference. much less reaction time, plus obvious physics involved.

and i agree with more training for drivers. we give out DL's like free samples at Sams. me off.
this makes sense
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It isnt extreme. It is a concept known as freedom.

Yes, there ARE people who are really and moaning about the fact that, while it is LEGAL to own automatic weapons and Bazookas (or RPGs or large-caliber artillery) it is unnecessarily expensive to be able to do so.

The point of that is two-fold.

One is the tires, the other is a sort of handshake agreement amongst the European manufacturers.

The extreme exotics are not limited at all, but mass produced high-end cars tend to be governed at 155 MPH (Actually 250 KPH) because the manufacturers agreed on that speed to keep from trying to one-up each other.
i am unawar4 of this. what exotics to be exact are governed at this speed?

to the best of my knowlege, any car todday that comes out the factory with Z-rated tires comes with at least 170mph limit.

i cant imagine why a gallardo or muciellargo or F458 would have 155mph limit and i am so not willing to research that right now. lazy me
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