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Old 06-13-2010, 10:04 AM   #1
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changing to Synthetic Oil!

When I bought my R1 it had just had a new oil change done on it now that it has a little over 2,500 miles on it I want to go back to using full Synthetic Oil
I asked him what was in the bike and he said Motul If I'm correct I think it must be Motul 3000 which is not synthetic oil(correct?) I want to go back to using Amsoil I've always used it in all the bikes I've had so just want to stick with what I like best for me. My Question is. Has anyone had a problem switching from Motul non synthetic to a full synthetic? saw something posted a while back saying they were noticing slippage from their change. So any help would be appreciated plan on changing it myself today so want to ask before I get started. Thanks in Advance.
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As long as it is moto specific it'll be fine. Just be sure and drain all the old oil out, not a bad idea to loosen the oil cooler lines and drain if it has one as well. And change the filter of course.
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you can change it without any problems. I have switched back and forth over the years between the two without any problems on my race bike and it has looked good everytime I have pulled it apart. I have used rotella, motul, amsoil, castrol, and mobil 1.
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:14 PM   #4
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why not just use rotella T non synthetic don't get your pockets raped falling for all that other jazz.
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Tim Vipond... on a new track/race motor, when (what mileage) would you suggest changing to full synthetic?
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I went over to the Rotella website and don't see that they recommend any of their oils for motorcycles. I also did a search on "motorcycle" and found nothing. Under recommendations, it only lists diesel truck engines.
check all the wera forums and other sportbike sites and loads of people are using the stuff with no problems. these people can keep their 10 dollar a quart oil. whatever helps you sleep better at night i guess. cause i've used the stuff for track days and even in my dirt bike now with no problems at all.
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I'd follow the recommendations of the builder. Many high performance engines come from the factory with synthetic, and AMSOIL recommends changing to AMSOIL at the first scheduled oil change.
Its an OEM motor, and they say to go easy for the first 1,000 miles (though I don't subscribe to that philosophy ).
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For some reason I put Mobile one and my clutch is not liking it. When I change gears it wouldn't go as easy as before. I'm getting ready to go back on Yamaha lube. (Yamalube)
One of my friend did the same on h bike and also was acting up on him. I've heard about disel oil and that it will work on bike engine but never seen it my self.
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RotellaT 15W/40 with plenty instock at walmart keeps the new engine in my zx14 workin like smooth beast. Its like honey for my bike. And cheap as .

Oil: regular or synthetic doesn't = power or a faster bike.
Stop paying for that high priced B.S.
Go down to walmart spend less than 15 bucks on your oil.
or pay $50 for a 5 gallon bucket.

Your money. but oil is oil. if you change your oil frequently your bike will last longer vs you trying to find an oil that will make your oil changes be less.

Everyone is always trying to find an oil that will not require them to have an oil change for like 3k-5k miles. That is the wrong way to think. RotellaT 15W/40. I change every 1500-2000 miles.
by the way in 3 months I have over 5k miles on this new motor. Thanks to Badzx14. The motor is smooth and quiet.

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RotellaT 15W/40 with plenty instock at walmart keeps the new engine in my zx14 workin like smooth beast. Its like honey for my bike. And cheap as .

Oil: regular or synthetic doesn't = power or a faster bike.
Stop paying for that high priced B.S.
Go down to walmart spend less than 15 bucks on your oil.
or pay $50 for a 5 gallon bucket.

Your money. but oil is oil. if you change your oil frequently your bike will last longer vs you trying to find an oil that will make your oil changes be less.

Everyone is always trying to find an oil that will not require them to have an oil change for like 3k-5k miles. That is the wrong way to think. RotellaT 15W/40. I change every 1500-2000 miles.
by the way in 3 months I have over 5k miles on this new motor. Thanks to Badzx14. The motor is smooth and quiet.

Indeed. And I spend a whole lot more of my money on my scooters than I will ever spend on the latest/greatest/super-duper oil.

IF NOTHING ELSE, its peace of mind my newest high-dollar toy will last forever (or at least until I crash it).
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Yea that was my post on an '06 R6 + repsol 10W-40 full synthetic = clutch slippage.

Not only did the clutch start acting up, I also started getting oil leaks around my gaskets and filter. Tire became saturated with oil and you can guess what happened..

I know lots of people use synthetic with no problems so I'm not here to start a debate. Just speaking from personal experience.

I changed my oil back to regular yet my clutch still slipped every so often. I put 1/3 can of seafoam into the crankcase and rode around for 100 miles. Afterwards put in some good ol' yamamlube 10W-40 dino oil. Now everything is good to go.

Some bikes like it, others don't. Switch to synthetic if you want, if you're not satisfied you can always revert back to conventional. Good luck
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Are you using the Mobil 1 car or motorcycle oil? Their motorcycle oil is much better. Their motorcycle oil is wet clutch rated JASO MA, which is the lowest rating available for motorcycles with wet clutches. You might want to try a motorcycle oil that is the superior JASO MA2 rated. AMSOIL is JASO MA2. Here is a white paper explaining the differences in the JASO ratings and common motorcycle oils: http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g2156.pdf .
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I'm not sure about that. All the professional racers looking for an edge use synthetic oil. Some pay millions of dollars in oil research to develop one that gives them more speed and reliability. I've seen dyno tests that show the oil choice does make a difference in horsepower and torque.
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Are you talking about the ability that oil has to make mechanical parts mover better or your talking actual performance boost? Im just not sure I understand.

I have had two same bikes in the past with the same mods. one synthetic and one regular and cannot tell a significate difference. Mabye if I rode them over the 3000 mark with out changing the oil I could see the synthetic one performing better. But because I change My motorcycles oil at around 1500 its still pretty fresh.

All the test I have seen or heard of tested the ability/ milage of the synthetic motors ability to operate before damage.

Same car one using synthetic oil and one using regular. The regular one failed at like 50K miles and the synthetic went iout at 70K. Cars where all hooked up with petro and ran at 70 or 100 mph for like 3-4 days.

It is just my understanding that if you keep your oil fresh in your vehicle its always gonna last and operate better. Better if its a longeivity batte of course synthetic is gonna win. Im not argueing that.

I could be wrong about this and please correct me if I am.
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I use car oil, but then again I have a dry clutch.

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