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Old 05-22-2010, 10:04 AM   #21
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This is why it always makes sense, no matter how long your light has been green, to try to at least glance both ways before crossing ANY intersection. I don't know how many times that has saved me from getting hit.

You have to wonder how many of the blatent red light runners involve alcohol or maybe texting or some other complete inattention to driving. Several years ago I had someone hit my car from behind while I was sitting at a red light and she admitted that she just wasn't paying attention.

You have to give the driver of the white bus some points for bus control though once he realized he was about to screw up!
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First of all, if I run one of those lights, no one in Houston law enforcement is giving me the ticket...American Traffic Solutions is the sole force in issuing tickets...judge jury and executioner. That's bullshit. There are plenty more reasons but I don't want to turn this into one of those threads.

Regardless, they'll be voting on it anyways...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/6973553.html
Ok, so the people who are against them are those who make money from defending people who ran a red light. Hmm .. ever heard of "framing"?

Don't run the light, then you don't get a ticket. Why is taking responsibility for ones own actions always an issue?

For some on-topic comments: that white bus driver got some serious skills (and luck) for getting through that intersection.
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Ok, so the people who are against them are those who make money from defending people who ran a red light. Hmm .. ever heard of "framing"?

Don't run the light, then you don't get a ticket. Why is taking responsibility for ones own actions always an issue?

For some on-topic comments: that white bus driver got some serious skills (and luck) for getting through that intersection.
The cameras aren't there to make the city safer, just to make the city money. The fees aren't even prohibitive and are very easy to take care of.
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The cameras aren't there to make the city safer, just to make the city money. The fees aren't even prohibitive and are very easy to take care of.
so so you continiually tell your kid their misbehaving or do you eventually spank their ?
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so so you continiually tell your kid their misbehaving or do you eventually spank their ?
Kids don't line your pocket when they misbehave.

Running red lights is bad. Making the priority profitability instead of safety is a load of .
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When your kids act up to you spank them immediately or wait 2 weeks and then do it? Nice try though.

http://blog.motorists.org/10-reasons...light-cameras/

http://blog.motorists.org/red-light-...that-prove-it/

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2) The Impact of Red Light Cameras (Photo-Red Enforcement) on Crashes in Virginia
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June 2007

The Virginia Transportation Research Council released a report expanding upon earlier research into the safety effects of red light cameras in Virginia. Despite showing an increase in crashes, this study was instrumental in the return of red-light cameras to the state of Virginia. With a proven negative safety impact, the clear incentive to bring back the cameras was money.

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“After cameras were installed, rear-end crashes increased for the entire six-jurisdiction study area… After controlling for time and traffic volume at each intersection, rear-end crash rates increased by an average of 27% for the entire study area.”

“After cameras were installed, total crashes increased.”

“The impact of cameras on injury severity is too close to call.”

“Based only on the study results presented herein and without referencing other studies, the study did not show a definitive safety benefit associated with camera installation with regard to all crash types, all crash severities, and all crash jurisdictions.”
for all your data that says they're only out to make $ and they don't make it safer, there's data that refute's it......

so i'm all for them. wah wah wah

don't have time to cut-n-paste going to the Y w/ the kids...
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the redlight camera is just fishy all around. speed cameras to me are funny because if they put them up, i wonder how many times patrol cars would be "ticketed" in non emergency situations
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I watched some of the local cameras and it's surprising to me how many people run red lights after they have been red for some time. I always thought people that were getting tickets were trying to beat a yellow light and just got caught. But no, some of these people are actually passing up others that have been stopped at the light for quite some time. I hope these people are getting stiffer charges than just running a red light. Some of these people on the video need to be in jail for disregarding everyone's safety so blatantly.

Here's a link for the Houston cameras if anyone is interested.
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the worse one the dumb passing the sheriff hsahaha

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so so you continiually tell your kid their misbehaving or do you eventually spank their ?
btw when is your turn o get your spanked? you are about due
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And the ones that want them are making money too. It's all a money battle, especially on the part of the red light camera companies and the City of Houston. We are paying the City of Houston to protect and serve with their police force...not a third party company who is handing out tickets. This is something that we'll never agree on. Sure, pull the personal responsibility card, that's nice and simple. But that's not the issue at hand. This is much bigger than that. I've been against these since they were first brought to light (pun intended) in Arizona and New Mexico.

http://www.ridelust.com/red-light-ca...ust-dont-work/

How much longer before we end up like the UK with cameras recording our every moves. You may call it a tin foil hat but it's happened before.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RP4409#p/c/FBE1C0F99C2B2617
you know i have to say, i agree with you. those cameras are nothing but money grabbers

the intention wasnt making intersections safer. because they cant stop any light runner

and is not punishable by law if you dont pay it i think the way it was before it was better. you get caught you are going in
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we had the cameras in college station for about 6 months, then they were removed for being "unconstitutional". I'm glad they are gone, there were a lot of times you ACTUALLY stopped at the light, but you came in too fast (15mph or so) and it would still snap the picture. They never reviewed the pictures, because I got 3 in the mail on my old bike where I was clearly stopped, I had just stopped very abruptly. Its more of a pain in the than anything, and the sad thing is that most people wont fight it. They just pay for it... with money... which is all the redlight cameras want.
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I can't locate it now, but I saw one study a while back that indicated that making the duration of the yellow light a few seconds longer was much more effective at preventing traffic accidents at intersections than putting up a red-light camera. Of course making the yellow light longer does nothing to increase government revenues so that measure will never be done.
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I can't locate it now, but I saw one study a while back that indicated that making the duration of the yellow light a few seconds longer was much more effective at preventing traffic accidents at intersections than putting up a red-light camera. Of course making the yellow light longer does nothing to increase government revenues so that measure will never be done.
very true. its all about the money.
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I got a ticket for turning right at Jones and 290.........and the light was green. And I argued it, and they wouldn't turn it over....and I still haven't paid it. I went to the city of Jersey Village to talk about it and they escorted me out saying I had to pay it or they would arrest me. I said, go ahead. I'll sit overnight to pay it off. They wouldn't do it.
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