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Old 05-18-2010, 09:58 PM   #1
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did I make a mistake? Q2's

I got Dunlop Q2's for my track bike. I am an intermediate level rider...not fast expert racer or anything. I have run about 2:00 consistent laps at TWS (Texas World Speedway)..drag knee easily through most corners...but Im not braking deep into corners or anything like that yet.

I have been running BT016's on the track and like them so far. Mainly running them because they are affordable...have decent life for me...and I dont have warmers. Thats why Im sticking with a street/dual compound tire.

From what I have read about dunlop Q2's are they are similar to the bt016 which is why I went with them.

Is there anything I should be aware of as far has handling on this tire...stickiness...ride height..etc.

Has anyone used them? What did you think about them?
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:03 PM   #2
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Talk to patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited if you're looking for an opinion. I was going to get the same ones, but was split between q2's and the new diablo rosso corsa. Got the pirelli's and haven't regretted it since. Haven't gone to the track with them, but I will in a few weeks. Here's a review on them, but take it with a grain of salt.
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I don't think you made a mistake though. They're all great tires.
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:16 PM   #3
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Talk to patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited if you're looking for an opinion.
Good advice, since his shop sponsors a race team he would have some info.

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I don't think you made a mistake though. They're all great tires

The tires we have today are SO much better than in the past. Crappy street tires are better today than the best race tires from the 70's.
Look at those skinny things they raced on and did fine!
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Good advice, since his shop sponsors a race team he would have some info.



The tires we have today are SO much better than in the past. Crappy street tires are better today than the best race tires from the 70's.
Look at those skinny things they raced on and did fine!
And if YOU like them that is 75% of the battle IMHO.
Confidence in what your on let's you focus on what YOUR doing.......not what the tire is doing, my .02
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:45 PM   #5
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be sure to have your suspension readjusted because of the flex of the tire changes between brands.
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Old 05-19-2010, 06:42 AM   #6
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The BT016s are pretty good tires; the Q2s are pretty good as well. If it is worth for anything, Alonzo has run pretty solid times on the Q2s.

Which TD org do you ride with? 2 min laps at TWS (Texas World Speedway) seems kind of fast for "intermediate".
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I wouldnt run anything but DOT race tires if you're running 2:00 laps at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and getting faster.

2 flat is level 4/advanced track day pace. Welcome to the game. Get your check book out.

You need warmers and $400 tires.
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I wouldnt run anything but DOT race tires if you're running 2:00 laps at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and getting faster.

2 flat is level 4/advanced track day pace. Welcome to the game. Get your check book out.

You need warmers and $400 tires.
No way. I know of at least one guy who was running 2:05s on a pilot ROAD front.
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Well, you guys go right ahead and keep giving out bad advice.
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Better yet....I know a guy (Ty Howard) that can run 1:50's on Shinkos. And I know another guy (Dustin Dominguez) that could run 1:50's on Continentals. And this one guy I know (Derek Wagnon) can run a 1:50 flat on a BT015. Any of those should be great for you so dont waste the extra money on a street/track day specific tire. Just get the biggest piece of out there.

I mean..if they can do it, cant you?
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:49 AM   #11
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I was quite surprised by how well the Q2 performed on the track. It offered a solid amount of grip and was predictable under braking and acceleration. I've never ridden the BT016 but I'm willing to bet these two tires are pretty close in performance. Best thing to do is get with someone who can help make any necessary(if any)suspension adjustments.

Now, with that being said let's look at what these tires are designed for, dual purpose street and track. There comes a point where you're sacrificing traction over longevity. If you plan on riding your bike on the streets with the occasional track day then by all means go with a tire designed for that purpose. If you're new to track days, then an all out race tire may not be needed.Tire technology has come a long way. I'm willing to bet that there are only a handful of guys that could actually outride a street tire. It really depends on your pace and skill level.

I'll agree with Brandt that a 2:00 lap time at TWS (Texas World Speedway) it pretty quick. You may want to consider upgrading to a more track specific tire. Unfortunately speed comes with a price. I've tried skimping on tires...doesn't work very well
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I used the q2 at the TWS (Texas World Speedway) and msr and they did great all day. Probably only have another day or two left though, but the grip has been great
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Better yet....I know a guy (Ty Howard) that can run 1:50's on Shinkos. And I know another guy (Dustin Dominguez) that could run 1:50's on Continentals. And this one guy I know (Derek Wagnon) can run a 1:50 flat on a BT015. Any of those should be great for you so dont waste the extra money on a street/track day specific tire. Just get the biggest piece of out there.

I mean..if they can do it, cant you?
Buwahahahahahaha!

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Better yet....I know a guy (Ty Howard) that can run 1:50's on Shinkos. And I know another guy (Dustin Dominguez) that could run 1:50's on Continentals. And this one guy I know (Derek Wagnon) can run a 1:50 flat on a BT015. Any of those should be great for you so dont waste the extra money on a street/track day specific tire. Just get the biggest piece of out there.

I mean..if they can do it, cant you?
you're totally right. Everyone on the track needs GP slicks or they're going to die in the first turn.
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I prefer the Tomohawaks! Nothing like colored bling on your rubber.
I almost bought Tomohawks when my stock rubber died Im such a noob

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you're totally right. Everyone on the track needs GP slicks or they're going to die in the first turn.
He didn't say he was going to die.
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I believe his point was that a 2:00 lap time is very close to exceeding the limit of a street tire. We would all hate to see him wad his bike and himself up. Sure, some very skilled riders can do better times on street tires, but at what risks?

A street tire may be able to post a low time, but it cannot susta those for very long. I agree with Brandt and Alonzo, get on some more focused rubber.
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you're totally right. Everyone on the track needs GP slicks or they're going to die in the first turn.
They'll never die as long as they enter the first turn as slow as you do.

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Thanks for all the comments guys. Yes...I am pretty consistent on the 2:00-2:02 lap times. I ride LSTD, and recently ridesmart intermediate group...not level 3/4..A. Rode lvl 1 two up May 8th, but that was only because I had a passenger. I could probably ride lvl 3/4, but havent made that commitment yet.. Depends on the track Im riding. If Im familiarizing myself with the lines....I ride slower.

My reason for using a street tire is because I dont have warmers..nor the money yet...to start pumping out 400 dollar warmers and tires. I will...but not at the moment. Since street tires arent effected by heat cycles..and will last me longer for now.

I will get better rubber when I can afford some...and warmers.

I do plan on getting faster for sure. Not worried about crashing...that day will come, and when it does...Ill get back up and get on.
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I was quite surprised by how well the Q2 performed on the track. It offered a solid amount of grip and was predictable under braking and acceleration. I've never ridden the BT016 but I'm willing to bet these two tires are pretty close in performance. Best thing to do is get with someone who can help make any necessary(if any)suspension adjustments.

Now, with that being said let's look at what these tires are designed for, dual purpose street and track. There comes a point where you're sacrificing traction over longevity. If you plan on riding your bike on the streets with the occasional track day then by all means go with a tire designed for that purpose. If you're new to track days, then an all out race tire may not be needed.Tire technology has come a long way. I'm willing to bet that there are only a handful of guys that could actually outride a street tire. It really depends on your pace and skill level.
What's your opinion on the Dunlop Qualifiers? I've always liked Dunlops, but I got into a discussion with someone who's a relative noob, level 1 rider, but who insisted that his Dunlop Qualifiers sucked, and so he bought Pirelli Corsa Rossos. I agree with Bumblebee (another "old-timer" here) that the tires of yesteryear are the ones that actually "sucked", and I should know because I remember those tires we rode on in the 80's! (Although back then, we thought they were great compared to tires of the 60's! hehehe..). I mean, I'm still sporting Pilot Road 2CTs on my bike, and I think they're awesome compared to the Conti's I sported way back when

Anyway, I tried to tell him the same thing as what I bolded, but he didn't want to hear it. I don't think he thinks my opinion qualifies since I'm not as fast as you whipper-snappers, lol, but I've seen these stories play out over and over again, year after year...

Personally, I think one should only upgrade their tires proportionately to their experience and the demands they will place on the tires as a result. To get rid of practically new Dunlop Qualifiers is a waste of a perfectly good tire for him to learn on, but alas someone sold him on the idea that that's what he needed to do, if even for confidence boosting. For me, confidence boosting is more enhanced when you don't rely on the tire as an excuse... especially a tire he won't over-ride, nor get even close to sensing it's limits, during the short lifetime of that tire anyway.

Also, does anybody know if the Dunlop Qualifiers that come factory installed on stock bike are different from the ones they sell seperately? I was told that's the case, also, but find that hard to believe.

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Also, does anybody know if the Dunlop Qualifiers that come factory installed on stock bike are different from the ones they sell seperately? I was told that's the case, also, but find that hard to believe.
Yes, it is common for OEM tires to differ from "off the shelf" tires in construction and or compound to handle different applications. Although I'm not sure about your specific tire.

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