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Old 06-19-2006, 03:19 PM   #21
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Well I read closer into this story (and did a little math). The story and it's numbers are basically pointless without knowing the registration rate BEFORE the helmet law was repealled. Registration rates went up 87% AFTER Bush repealed the law. So why doesn't the author give us deaths per registration before the helmet law was repealed?

Year Non-Helmet deaths Registrations
1999 22 ?
2000 259 1000 (I made this up as a baseline)
2004 432 1696 (If registrations were constant/year)
2005 475 (constant) 1870 (87% increase from 2000)

*I know, this ^ is nerdy

Therefore, the story is pointless and the author is bias.
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Old 06-19-2006, 03:22 PM   #22
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didnt someone here point out the funny fact the we have to wear setbelts in our cars...but 100's of thousands of children everyday ride to school in buses, and dont need to wear seatbelts????


fyi.//i wear my belt everytime i get in my car....
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Old 06-19-2006, 03:23 PM   #24
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didnt someone here point out the funny fact the we have to wear setbelts in our cars...but 100's of thousands of children everyday ride to school in buses, and dont need to wear seatbelts????


fyi.//i wear my belt everytime i get in my car....
I always wondered about that.
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Old 06-19-2006, 03:24 PM   #25
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didnt someone here point out the funny fact the we have to wear setbelts in our cars...but 100's of thousands of children everyday ride to school in buses, and dont need to wear seatbelts????


fyi.//i wear my belt everytime i get in my car....
I used to wonder about this myself when I was back in grade school. We should sit in the back row so when the driver hit this one particular bump we'd fly out of our seat and slam our heads against the roof of the bus!......wait a minute.....this explains a lot.
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didnt someone here point out the funny fact the we have to wear setbelts in our cars...but 100's of thousands of children everyday ride to school in buses, and dont need to wear seatbelts????


fyi.//i wear my belt everytime i get in my car....
I'm gonna go w/ weight........

most common accidents bus vs car, bus is gonna win. now if the bus hits a train, train wins. i think in certain sized trucks (like 2500 and up) i've heard you don't have to wear a seatbelt either. can't confirm it's law........but i've heard it. kinda makes sense, back to weight.
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The law is now 3500 (1-ton) and up.
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Old 06-19-2006, 03:32 PM   #28
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http://www.ncsbs.org/testimonies/sea...background.htm

Basically the bus makers say that the seat design makes it safe enough so that the kids don't need belts. Other people think it's bullsht.
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I remember growing up seeing videos of busses in florida flipping over from accidents and kids were flying all over the place. I don't remember how accidents happened, but they weren't trains as far as I remember.

When I was just getting to the point of not riding the bus anymore, some of the brand new buses had a few seats with seat belts in them....of course everyone just sat ON the belts.... couldn't get as much height when we hit bumps with the seat belt on! :laughing6
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didnt someone here point out the funny fact the we have to wear setbelts in our cars...but 100's of thousands of children everyday ride to school in buses, and dont need to wear seatbelts????


fyi.//i wear my belt everytime i get in my car....
It's because seatbelt laws are totally for revenue generation. That's the only reason for the inconsistency. If the legislature could pass a helmet law that they thought 5% of riders would ignore on a regular basis and it would be easy to spot violators, they would. But if the helmet law said that a helmet was required, almost every rider would have his/her helmet on all the time.
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The debate over motorcycle helmet safety resurfaced last week when Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, an advocate of helmet-free riding, broke his jaw, nose and several teeth in an accident. He underwent seven hours of surgery.
it's a good thing it takes a celebrity to bring up the issue of helmet safety.
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Old 06-19-2006, 06:35 PM   #32
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I know quite a few paralyzed people that wish that they had worn their seatbelts. Who knows about the ones that died on motorcycles and wished that they had their helmets on?
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The law is now 3500 (1-ton) and up.
1 ton = 2000lbs
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Old 06-19-2006, 07:08 PM   #34
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As of few years ago. All passengers in a vehicle have to wear seatbelts if it came with them from the factory. That includes 1 ton trucks. I have a one ton and they (cops) don't care.
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Old 06-19-2006, 08:06 PM   #35
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1 ton = 2000lbs
LMAO!! 'Know anything about pickup trucks? Granted, I don't know where they came up with these designations, but...:

1500 = 1/2-ton
2500 = 3/4-ton
3500 = 1-ton
4500 = 1-1/4-ton

Shall I go on?
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Old 06-19-2006, 08:15 PM   #36
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Google says:
1 short ton = 2 000 pounds
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I am WELL AWARE that 1-ton equals 2000-pounds. I'm attempting to 'splain the numeric designations of pickups and trucks (the numbers you normally see on the sides of them)

Chevy/Dodge has numbers in the thousands; Ford in the hundreds (F150, F250, F350, etc...)
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I am WELL AWARE that 1-ton equals 2000-pounds. I'm attempting to 'splain the numeric designations of pickups and trucks (the numbers you normally see on the sides of them)

Chevy/Dodge has numbers in the thousands; Ford in the hundreds (F150, F250, F350, etc...)
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To clarify:

Full-size pickups in North America are sold in three size ranges - 1/2 Ton, 3/4 Ton and 1 Ton. These size ranges originally indicated the maximum payload of the vehicle, however modern pickups can typically carry far more than that. For example, the 2006 model Ford F-150 (a "1/2 Ton" pickup) has a payload of between 1,400 lb and 3,060 lb, depending on configuration. Likewise, the 2006 model F-350 (a "1 Ton" pickup) has a payload of between 4,000 lb and 5,800 lb depending on configuration.
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Shouldn't it be up to the rider under personal responsability. Our we just need more government to control the sheep. Guess that's why there are so many lawyers, aka thieves(most), suing for a living.
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