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Old 05-05-2010, 01:13 PM   #81
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Not to get into this argument, but I have to say, that in my experinence, nearly all of the accidents I personaly have responded to, were cruiser style bikes, at low speed. Also, nearly all of them have been 3rd party fault, that is, someone hit them, cut them off or in some way caused the accident. For instance, at the last Lone star rally, every single accident i went to was a cruiser.(about 8 that day for me. there were lots more, something like 20+, but of the ones i saw...) Some of the accidents resulted in serious injury, but none due to high displacement or high speed.

Just an observation.
Well I was at a wreck there it was a sport bike, not speed related though just in the road and inexpierence.
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My point is that high powered HP bikes are dangerous in the hands of newbs, this results in terrible crashes. I don't argue the HP/Engine size in regular accidents makes no difference. Only when it's applied to very nasty motorcycle accidents. And the point I'm making is that if, the bikes didn't have 150hp+ say half that, the accidents wouldn't be as severe.
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EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I have big bones to pick with the almighty Hurt report...the fact that it only sampled California makes it statistically questionable. But it still helps in proving you guys wrong

I know it's old and outdated. It's a terrible tool, but people to this day use it to make up, like I just did, to prove a point.

The whole point of this discussion was about accidents and the rate of accidents. Not the severity. I believe I was reprimanded by one of the elders for talking about motorcycle deaths as they were talking about accidents.

Nonetheless, what you say and what I say is complete bullshit until a comprehensive and large sample size study is done across the entire united states that provides solid numbers on engine size, speed and circumstance. Until then, saying we should have a tiered system is absolutely and completely bullshit. However, I'd be willing to bet you or anyone else a beer that the median speed of motorcycle crashes does not exceed 50mph...possibly even lower.
He is right no way to question w/o proof your just blowing smoke.
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Old 05-05-2010, 02:32 PM   #84
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My point is that high powered HP bikes are dangerous in the hands of newbs, this results in terrible crashes. I don't argue the HP/Engine size in regular accidents makes no difference. Only when it's applied to very nasty motorcycle accidents. And the point I'm making is that if, the bikes didn't have 150hp+ say half that, the accidents wouldn't be as severe.
Ok maybe that is plausible, your saying we should make decisions for people or limit because the possibility of a wreck?
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the stats will always change depending on where you are looking for the numbers.


sounds like a MH POLL for accidents (or just research the MH riders accident thread for the year I guess.)
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EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I have big bones to pick with the almighty Hurt report...
lol, yeah! w/ all your experience in safety and motorcycling, your background is way more credible and accurate then some old dude who was

"professor of safety science at USC's Traffic Safety Center "


its not like

""Similar studies since 1990 reflect his influence and have largely confirmed his findings."

says "Jim Ouellet, one of the accident investigators for the Motorcycle Accident Cause Factors and Identification of Countermeasures study"

your 2 yrs of riding has given you yrs of riding experience vs "Hurt was a lifelong motorcyclist and never had a crash, said his wife, Joan."



or maybe you just slept at a holiday inn express last night?

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You know literally nothing about statistics, and that's obvious. .
i passed in college........ though definetly not a statistician

and you somehow are better?

and all these experts know nothing vs YOU!

and your infinite wisdom

your 1200cc bike is slower then most current day 600SS as is your 1125RRRRRRR

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question.

who hear has ridden with Racer "douche" X in the last month? how many miles did he ride?


all this dude has for his arguement is his riding experience yet he has never beside a car while riding and from my observations he has not signed up for any recent track day or been part of a group ride recently.

i'm just curious because garaging your motorcycle and riding 1200 miles yearly for 10 years is not really much of an experience
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oh noez i haz to prove myself to the forum/riding noob to show that i actually ride...........
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question.

who hear has ridden with Racer "douche" X in the last month? how many miles did he ride?


all this dude has for his arguement is his riding experience yet he has never beside a car while riding and from my observations he has not signed up for any recent track day or been part of a group ride recently.

i'm just curious because garaging your motorcycle and riding 1200 miles yearly for 10 years is not really much of an experience
good question
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question.

who hear has ridden with Racer "douche" X in the last month? how many miles did he ride?


all this dude has for his arguement is his riding experience yet he has never beside a car while riding and from my observations he has not signed up for any recent track day or been part of a group ride recently.

i'm just curious because garaging your motorcycle and riding 1200 miles yearly for 10 years is not really much of an experience
I've got the same question....about You... and me.

woowoo now what have we proved, jack-shyte.

You won't find me riding 'next to a car' very often either...you'll find me slowing down or speeding up to be ahead or behind them instead.
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I've got the same question....about You... and me.

woowoo now what have we proved, jack-shyte.

You won't find me riding 'next to a car' very often either...you'll find me slowing down or speeding up to be ahead or behind them instead.
and since your avatar is some old man spanking a young girl, you must either be the old man or young girl....
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I've got the same question....about You... and me.

woowoo now what have we proved, jack-shyte.

You won't find me riding 'next to a car' very often either...you'll find me slowing down or speeding up to be ahead or behind them instead.
lucky for me, i have only been riding for a few months and few people here have rode with me.

from a lot of your posts, i have nothing but respect for you but when it comes to racer X, you need to let go of the lip lock on his some so his blood can circulate properly.

everytime he is challenged you sure are there to "fight" on his behalf.

i think i asked a legitimate question. if you have rode with him in the last month, please, say so, if not llet someone who has say so.

i mean from the way he brings up his riding experience, you must admit he sounds like he sleeps on his bike while riding through the night everyday
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and since your avatar is some old man spanking a young girl, you must either be the old man or young girl....
Good observation... :-)


Just so we're on the same page, I meant I was asking Viper for the same info as he inquired of you.....then threw myself in there as part of the point.
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lucky for me, i have only been riding for a few months and few people here have rode with me.


i mean from the way he brings up his riding experience, you must admit he sounds like he sleeps on his bike while riding through the night everyday



and you give out info like you've been riding a long time, when in fact you haven't..........

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and since your avatar is some old man spanking a young girl, you must either be the old man or young girl....
definitely not but common sense would give you a hint that my avatar is my bike.

just like common sense would also tell you that when someone was in a collision and they tell you they use their lights and horn before the collision, they also applied their brakes. some things are pretty obvious when you dont have "10 years of riding experience"
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definitely not but common sense would give you a hint that my avatar is my bike.

just like common sense would also tell you that when someone was in a collision and they tell you they use their lights and horn before the collision, they also applied their brakes. some things are pretty obvious when you dont have "10 years of riding experience"
so, ulrics avatar is an old man and young girl

common sense and 600SS bikes lol

you assume alot
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and you give out info like you've been riding a long time, when in fact you haven't..........

your assumption.

i have stated too many times on this forum "i'm new to riding"

but of course that was too obvious for you to notice as it does not equate 10 years of riding experience.
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