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Old 05-04-2010, 08:36 AM   #21
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I don't think that anyone should regulate this. Too many time we pass the blame to someone else for our mistakes and ignorance. If people want to continue getting in over their head without the proper training and or proper gear then this is going to be the obvious outcome. It is unfortunate that death is the result but at some point we need to go back to living in a society that holds the individual accountable for his or her actions.

I know people aren't going to like that but it's cool....

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I agree like kids who choke on toys and they blame it on the toystore, your the parent.
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:43 AM   #22
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I have to disagree with the tiered licensing to a degree. I think the tiered licensing should be for under a certain age say 25. When you look at most biker accidents, the majority is the fault of the rider speeding, riding over limits, rider inattention. If you read most post about "I wrecked today" or " I was cut off toady" some where in there you read I was going 70 in 60 or me and my buddies were going through the twisties when I lost it. Now I'm 36, and trust me when I get on my bike there are times I revert back to being a teenager but for the most part I know not to be going 90+ on I-10 at 4:30p. However this is my first bike ever and I now have a whoping 1 yr under my belt, and to all those that said "You'll kill yourself on 750 as a beginner bike" Maturity has played a big part in it. I can say this from experience in my field, that younger people are more prone to show boating for the opposite or friends. They have a sense of indestructibility that allows them to take chances us older folks go about. But also for every fact or stat a person finds, there is a fact or stat for the opposite view. bless America
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:48 AM   #23
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86% of sportbike deaths were speed realted. NOt to bash but I'd wonder what percent of cruiser deaths were alcohol related?
from what i've seen, 50+% of ALL deaths include alky
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In my opinion... The 3 states that were named as the highest death tolls, have the largest population of motorcycles. It stands to reason that the more bikes there are, the more unfortunate deaths will occur. Not to mention that the 3 states mentioned are tourists destinations. We have all seen tourists cut across 4 lanes to make their exit last second.

Regardless, I am saying that this report is grotesquely skewed.
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In my opinion... The 3 states that were named as the highest death tolls, have the largest population of motorcycles. It stands to reason that the more bikes there are, the more unfortunate deaths will occur. Not to mention that the 3 states mentioned are tourists destinations. We have all seen tourists cut across 4 lanes to make their exit last second.

Regardless, I am saying that this report is grotesquely skewed.
i think also riding season adds to the numbers

but the report also points out sportbikes specifically........
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Commi-socialists...? If someone wants to buy a 150hp bike and crash it into a wall, that's on them. We don't need anymore f*cking government regulations.
quoted for truth.
everybody needs to get a mirror and look into it. thats who is responsible for your life. ne body ever notice that every law that gets passed is basically a piece of liberty taken away??? ytf is everybody so anxious to give up their freedoms and let other people tell them what is right or wrong.
if the govt wants to help they should make better road conditions or make motorcycle awareness a priority.
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:09 AM   #28
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ouch i just drank some coffee, and it was hott!
somebody is gona pay for this!!
this coffee is 3 degrees hotter than it should be, somebody is going down for this, where is my lawyer.
somebody should make a law that makes companies label coffee as hot and dangerous. and if a person should burn their mouths that company should pay millions of dollars to the victim.

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ouch i just drank some coffee, and it was hott!
somebody is gona pay for this!!
this coffee is 3 degrees hotter than it should be, somebody is going down for this, where is my lawyer.
somebody should make a law that makes companies label coffee as hot and dangerous. and if a person should burn their mouths that company should pay millions of dollars to the victim.

-stupid poeple suck-
by the same token, should a company serve coffee hot enough to cook with, w/o warning the customer just how 'hot' it is?
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:21 AM   #31
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I think men live, on average, to age 67.......whether riding a SS bike or an Izuzu.

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Old 05-04-2010, 09:34 AM   #33
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everybody needs to get a mirror and look into it. thats who is responsible for your life. ne body ever notice that every law that gets passed is basically a piece of liberty taken away??? ytf is everybody so anxious to give up their freedoms and let other people tell them what is right or wrong.
if the govt wants to help they should make better road conditions or make motorcycle awareness a priority.
True that........ More regulation or doing what the Euro Socialists do is not the answer, I know that. I don't have a problem with my tax dollars going for more biker friendly roads, that's a good cause.... I don't have a problem with my taxes going for biker safety awareness. I really don't have a problem with mandatory MSF either. But tiered biking or limiting CC I think big brother is going to far. I already have to pay more in insurance for a few more CC's. Some people should not be on the road in any kind of vehicle, 2 wheels or 4. My father in-law is one of them, he has wrecked every vehicle he has ever owned. Some people are just road safety hazards because they live and breath. My contention is that if your unsafe your gonna get your's no matter what. I hate graph's and statistics the freak'n Engineers and Management always throw that at us at work they never show the backup data though. One thing that stuck with me and I would be for it before you get your class "M" you have to watch a minimum 30 minute graphic video of motorcycle wreck aftermath. They made us watch something like that in the Army, it really makes you wanna be safe, well most people.

All that said, Safety is the individuals responsibility bringing awareness to others is a gift.
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should a customer buy coffee knowing its served hot ..
again the question is a matter of degrees... do you drink your coffee 'hot' or when it's over the boiling point?
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I don't care about statistics. We need tiered licensing based on number of years of experience and displacement of engine.
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Two-thirds of the riders killed on 1,001-1,500 cc engine size were 40 and over years old.

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I'll tell you exactly what that is all about. Middle aged guys who had a scooter when they were "young" now have some descresionary income and
go and buy a bike with out brushing up on their skills.

Seen it ALOT.

FWIW, the entire licensing proccess should be harder.

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Mark Twain wrote "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." There is a lot of truth to that. All riding demographics have their respective redshirt cannon-fodder organ donors in waiting. The cruiser crowd's faction owes it to and/or nonexistant protective gear, alcohol, and a lot of unskilled RUBs that watched Easy Rider too many times.

We cannot, however, overlook the issues in our own ranks. The majority of us are certainly guilty of exercising the performance envelopes of our respective rides - that's why were on them. Too often there's too much machine and not enough brain/skills though. I'm torn on this.

From a statistical standpoint, 51.54% of me agrees with one view and 46.46% agrees with the other - 2% is undecided.

The reality is, more lawmakers are old lawyer types who identify far more with the cruiser crowd than with us. If we keep wadding ourselves up like lemmings at the cliff side, the laws and the insurance will make it very hard to do what we do. There have already been bills proposed over the years to limit displacement and horsepower on street bikes. Danforth of Missourri proposed one of them - I remember it from a few years ago.

It's also interesting to note that two of the three states listed do not have helmet laws. Not trying to spark that old dead horse again. Just saying.

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Studies show most motorcycle crashes involving injury or death occur at low speeds, and that the majority of those incidents usually involve 1) a second vehicle — normally a car turning into the rider's path, 2) alcohol, or 3) rider inexperience. The first and second contributing factors are hard to eradicate, since there'll always be inattentive or boozing motorists. However, I think there's something we can do about the third factor: rider inexperience.

European legislators have proposed a new licensing system for the 27 nations making up the EU. Applicants would first have to pass a written test; then they would enter a four-tiered licensing system (with the entry level dependent on the individual's age and the type and size of vehicle). Riders would need to wait two years before training and testing for the next tier.

The first license, "AM," would be available to 14-year-olds and up, and would restrict them to mopeds, scooters and road-legal ATVs with maximum 50cc capacity and a top speed of 30 mph. The second, "A1," is open to riders at least 16 years of age and restricts them to motorcycles and scooters with a maximum size of 125cc and producing up to 15 hp. The "A2" license, open to riders 18 and older, is restricted for motorcycles with a maximum 48 hp. Finally, those granted access to the "Open Class A" license would have to be at least 24 years old, or possess at least two years of riding experience with an A2 license.

I think a similar system of licensing in the U.S. would be a great idea. But I also understand the business implications. Since the goal in a market economy is to make the maximum amount of money by selling the most expensive product to as many people as possible, making it more difficult to obtain a motorcycle endorsement would dramatically decrease the pool of available customers. But shouldn't there be a system in place to prepare those who want to ride?

Ultimately, driving a car or riding a motorcycle on any public road is a privilege and not a constitutional right! Having a regulation that will mandate any new rider to have at least 2 years of experience before jumping on a liter bike is not such a bad idea considering all the lives that will be saved down the road.
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