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Old 05-03-2010, 04:06 PM   #1
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Fascination With Leaning, Kneedragging?

i'm new to biking. my bike is for commuting so i am gradually putting a lot miles on it on the street. never been to the track(maybe eventually)

i'm on a few bike forums and from stories people tell or questions they ask, i get the impression many bikers see it as a big deal.

when i ride, i love to take turns which require leaning on a bike and i enjoy it but the less i have to lean on a turn, the safer i feel.

i dont want to get the bike that low to drag my knee on the road if i dont have to.

is there something about it i'm missing as a new rider? as in do i need to be working on leaning more? is that like a highly valuable riding skill?

my mindframe presently is to keep the bike as upright as possible too keep my safe.

just a curiousity question.
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Old 05-03-2010, 04:10 PM   #2
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when i ride, i love to take turns which require leaning on a bike and i enjoy it but the less i have to lean on a turn, the safer i feel.

i dont want to get the bike that low to drag my knee on the road if i dont have to.
is there something about it i'm missing as a new rider? as in do i need to be working on leaning more? is that like a highly valuable riding skill?

my mindframe presently is to keep the bike as upright as possible too keep my safe.

just a curiousity question.
then u belong in a car

leaning the bike is riding it the way it was built for.
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the thrill of railing it thru a turn.

i havent been to the track but would love to go rip around a track and improve my skills.

you wanna turn n have fun, you gotta lean the . but BP is important as its not all about lean
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It was said a couple days ago that dragging a knee is a result not a goal.

When you are going through a turn fast enough to require that level of lean angle, if your body position is correct, then your knee will drag. It's NOT something to try to do on the street. Pavement conditions can vary so much that is just a bad idea.
People should focus less on knee dragging and more on developing their skills and technique. If you develop them that far then the knee drag will happen.
On the other hand just because you have never done it, doesn't mean you are unskilled, it means you are riding within YOUR limits, as you should be.

Just ride your bike, enjoy it and be happy. If you want to learn more then come out to a trackday, you'll have fun and maybe become a better, safer, more accomplished rider.
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Old 05-03-2010, 04:22 PM   #5
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you dont have to lean to enjoy a bike.


give it time, and practice, practice, practice... dont learn the "tricks" learn the TRADE... one can only go so far to "drag knee" without knowing how to properly turn, and other associations that come with it. (and it ending disatrously) learn the turn. practice, learn the bike, practice, learn your equipment, practice....

slow is smooth, smooth is FAST.

DONT let others skills get into your learning curve, or above your head. everybody is different, everybody has thier own style within the "laws" of riding....it takes time to master yourself.

take your time, and listen to commons sense.

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then u belong in a car

leaning the bike is riding it the way it was built for.
i do belong in a car. and keep most of my speeding and craziness in my car.

i just needed a cheaper way to get around the town as my car get less daily driving friendly everyday that passes.

nevertheless, i'm not scared of leaning the bike.

my question here is is the right mindset to see how far i can lean the bike or should it be focused on getting through the next turn without trying to exaggerate how much the bike is leaned?

and please do not be a . give your input to the question or dont bother. i might not buy into some advice i get but when t goes downhill eventually and what i think i know fails, what i have read in the past maybe what i'll remember and would eventually save my life when.
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Because the farther you're leaned over the bigger your wiener is. As least thats the perception.
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It was said a couple days ago that dragging a knee is a result not a goal.

When you are going through a turn fast enough to require that level of lean angle, if your body position is correct, then your knee will drag. It's NOT something to try to do on the street. Pavement conditions can vary so much that is just a bad idea.
People should focus less on knee dragging and more on developing their skills and technique. If you develop them that far then the knee drag will happen.
On the other hand just because you have never done it, doesn't mean you are unskilled, it means you are riding within YOUR limits, as you should be.

Just ride your bike, enjoy it and be happy. If you want to learn more then come out to a trackday, you'll have fun and maybe become a better, safer, more accomplished rider.
ok, thaats my present mindset, i'm just trying to get input and make sure i'm thinking right.

i also ask because a few times i have gonbe into a curve with a certain amount of lean and halfway into it i have had to lean a lil more than i intended to on the turn. its somewhat unsettling for me and i just assume i was going too fast through the turn for my skills. so i'm asking as there is the possibility it could have been i just was not leaning the bike enough.
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I think a lot of street riders look at dragging knee is a status symbol and the track guys under stand that if its done correctly it is the definition of good body position and correct line through the corner . So to answer your question dragging a knee is perceived in two different mind sets
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my question here is:
is the right mindset to see how far i can lean the bike.
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or should it be focused on getting through the next turn without trying to exaggerate how much the bike is leaned?

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Read my above post and then realize what I'm saying is that there is no "need" to lean further. For many it has become a goal, maybe to emulate the racers, to drag a knee.
It isn't necessary at any sane street speed. The track merely gives you the safe environment to practice at "not street safe speed", riding and turning your bike. This is one way to improve your skills.
If you want to learn these things the track is the place and many here will be glad to answer questions or help you get started. If this isn't what you want, then continue what you are doing. It sounds like you have a level head and you will be fine.
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so i'm asking as there is the possibility it could have been i just was not leaning the bike enough.
Yes, many riders have a completely logical feeling of distrust in traction, so they lean as little as possible.
If you are riding with any thought of living to see another day, your tires will grip more than you may realize.
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just ride within your limits, and dont push it too much. if u run wide, look deeper into the turn and countersteer some more.
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ok, thaats my present mindset, i'm just trying to get input and make sure i'm thinking right.

i also ask because a few times i have gonbe into a curve with a certain amount of lean and halfway into it i have had to lean a lil more than i intended to on the turn. its somewhat unsettling for me and i just assume i was going too fast through the turn for my skills. so i'm asking as there is the possibility it could have been i just was not leaning the bike enough.
Just learn at your own pace. Don't worry about going fast or dragging knees. You'll never need to drag a knee on the street anyway.

The goal is to actually NOT lean the bike. You get more traction when more of the tire is touching the road. Those few times where you had to lean 'more than intended' ... you probably weren't anywhere near the bike's limit. It just feels that way when you're first starting out. If you ever feel like the bike is ahead of you then you're going too fast for your skill level. Stay ahead of the bike. That being said, don't be afraid to lean if you need to. Identify where your limits are then slowly raise those limits. When you think you're skilled enough to push it, wait just a little longer.
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originally posted by Bevo..... pretty good information if you have the time to read!

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... up until their epeen get's caught in their chain and they wipe out on the street anyway. :-)
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originally posted by Bevo..... pretty good information if you have the time to read!

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=135972
just browsed through but interesting.

i never gave it second thought but i always assumed steering does the turning and leaning just helps but with sportsbikes, their steering response are so good that you dont need to steer much.

i know it was not a scientific assumption but when i took my msf back in 07, the rebel 250 bikes we used we had to keep upright and actually turn the handle bars to turn. there was no leaning but when i got on a sportsbike, the steering angle felt like if i turned it too much, i'll kill myslef so a little turning and then leaning to supplement it.
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just browsed through but interesting.

i never gave it second thought but i always assumed steering does the turning and leaning just helps but with sportsbikes, their steering response are so good that you dont need to steer much.

i know it was not a scientific assumption but when i took my msf back in 07, the rebel 250 bikes we used we had to keep upright and actually turn the handle bars to turn. there was no leaning but when i got on a sportsbike, the steering angle felt like if i turned it too much, i'll kill myslef so a little turning and then leaning to supplement it.
That was/is more a function of speed...
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... up until their epeen get's caught in their chain and they wipe out on the street anyway. :-)
that would be most unfortunate but gifted is the man that can do that.
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Ride however comfortable and confident you feel(day by day, ride by ride.) Dont worry about everyone else.

Im always up for riding and myself, others that I ride with will ride w the person that is riding the most reserved that day. We dont make others feel like they have to keep up w a group. Be happy to ride w you sometime
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