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Old 05-02-2010, 11:00 PM   #81
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There is so much more to riding fast than just hanging your off the side of the bike. I can ride faster than many on the street without using that technique and faster yet by doing it correctly.

You aren't helping noobs by giving them partial information. If they want to get faster they need to learn it all. They need to learn to turn and to understand how they accomplish this. They need throttle and brake control. They need to look thru the corners and where they want to go. They need to understand lines, road surfaces, radius and grade and how all of this affects what they are trying to accomplish.

"Hang off and trust your tires" is a good way to get someone hurt. Go show them or take them to school or the track. Maybe they won't become another statistic.
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interesting. I have been sitting back reading this thread trying to pick out the facts and look past the swinging contest. Only one guy so far has taken me out and taught me some stuff. Have another guy on wednesday who wants to teach me as well. I appreciate the advice, but anyone who has ridden knows that its one thing to read about bikes but its something entirely different to actually put the lessons in motion. i am planning on doing a track day really soon, so that advice will be taken. If anyone wants to go riding sometime, my off days are tuesdays and wednesdays. I am free after 130 everyday. I am always down to strap up my helmet and roll. Just let me know.
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Im not going to give you any advice on how to learn this, other than get to a track day asap.

Thats your safest, most fun route. Trackdays are a blast for 99% of the riders out there and you can learn SOOO MUCH that you cant learn on the street.
Want to do a track day just afraid of crashing my bike at the track trying to learn. :( If I had extra bikes it wouldn't be a big deal. Just got my one and only.
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Thats another concern of mine. Dont wanna wreck my one and only bike.
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mr d you have wrecked already. please dude dont yourself over and wreck again by "learning" on the streets. it doesnt come over night. if you want to learn how to lean take it to the track.

you need to focus on learning the streets and what dangers are out there. ride your own ride. there is no where to "lean" in houston or around.

this thread is me off
The only reason I am listening to you is because you have proven yourself worth listening to. TRACK DAY HERE I COME.
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I am planning to go in june. (Earliest I can get in the book to get off work). Will go with whoever wants to go with me, but if not i will ride out by myself. i am going to learn more so than hang out.
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mr d you have wrecked already. please dude dont yourself over and wreck again by "learning" on the streets. it doesnt come over night. if you want to learn how to lean take it to the track.

you need to focus on learning the streets and what dangers are out there. ride your own ride. there is no where to "lean" in houston or around.

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Agreed on all points......
You can't learn on the street..... I know SundayRider and the rest will argue against this but its the truth.

To the OP, think of it like this. Right now your skill is at some level, say 2 out of 10. In order to increase your riding skill to level 3, you need to push your comfort zone slightly. This may include a few run-offs, tire slips, etc as you correct your body position, lines, etc. Sounds elementary, but it's the simplest way to describe it.

NOW, the difference between trying this on the track is that you dont worry about the huge ditch 3ft off the shoulder, dogs running out in front of you, cars turning in front of you, and on and and on. At the track, there is usually a lot of runoff space, and none of the above cars or dogs. Also, you have an accomplished rider (instructor) instructing you on what to do and where you are wrong/confused.

Leaning more just means that you can't use as much throttle/ have less acceleration . Get to TWS (Texas World Speedway) this weekend with Ridesmart and us?!
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Agreed on all points......
You can't learn on the street..... I know SundayRider and the rest will argue against this but its the truth.

To the OP, think of it like this. Right now your skill is at some level, say 2 out of 10. In order to increase your riding skill to level 3, you need to push your comfort zone slightly. This may include a few run-offs, tire slips, etc as you correct your body position, lines, etc. Sounds elementary, but it's the simplest way to describe it.

NOW, the difference between trying this on the track is that you dont worry about the huge ditch 3ft off the shoulder, dogs running out in front of you, cars turning in front of you, and on and and on. At the track, there is usually a lot of runoff space, and none of the above cars or dogs. Also, you have an accomplished rider (instructor) instructing you on what to do and where you are wrong/confused.

Leaning more just means that you can't use as much throttle/ have less acceleration . Get to TWS (Texas World Speedway) this weekend with Ridesmart and us?!

Can't make it out this weekend but i get your drift. Don't ride streets in an effort to learn.
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texas world speedway? thats my favorite next to MSRH but then there is ECR ughhhh

anyways we will find you a truck to put the bike in the back of. no need to ride out there then ride back all beat up and tired. lots of people have space in their trailers or trucks for an extra bike. hmmmm Brandon BCFrancis has a truck
Not sure what class I want to do yet, I am going to go with the smallest class size
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Something to think about;

Forget that's it's called a "racetrack". Try to think of it as a twisty road that circles back on itself.
It isn't a race, it's a trackday. No trophies, no glory, just you and the instructor working to improve skills in a controlled environment.
The chances of crashing are reduced because all the traffic is going in the same direction, there are no cross streets and no soccer moms on their cell phones.
If, in the unlikely event you do crash, the risk of injury is lower (and there is an ambulance on site) and the damage to your bike is likely to be less because it won't have curbs, trees or parked cars to bounce off of.

Ride within your limitations and you will be fine.
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Level 1. It's beginners/fast "street" riders I'm signed up for level 1 again since I haven't been at TWS (Texas World Speedway) since last season


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Forget that's it's called a "racetrack". Try to think of it as a twisty road that circles back on itself.
It isn't a race, it's a trackday. No trophies, no glory, just you and the instructor working to improve skills in a controlled environment.
The chances of crashing are reduced because all the traffic is going in the same direction, there are no cross streets and no soccer moms on their cell phones.
If, in the unlikely event you do crash, the risk of injury is lower (and there is an ambulance on site) and the damage to your bike is likely to be less because it won't have curbs, trees or parked cars to bounce off of.

Ride within your limitations and you will be fine.
Exactly. There is no "race" in it. Just someone letting us use their course
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never been to a track day event either, after skimming through this thread im interested in doing some corner work to get a freebie.

mb ill see you out there bro
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Agreed on all points......
You can't learn on the street..... I know SundayRider and the rest will argue against this but its the truth.

To the OP, think of it like this. Right now your skill is at some level, say 2 out of 10. In order to increase your riding skill to level 3, you need to push your comfort zone slightly. This may include a few run-offs, tire slips, etc as you correct your body position, lines, etc. Sounds elementary, but it's the simplest way to describe it.

NOW, the difference between trying this on the track is that you dont worry about the huge ditch 3ft off the shoulder, dogs running out in front of you, cars turning in front of you, and on and and on. At the track, there is usually a lot of runoff space, and none of the above cars or dogs. Also, you have an accomplished rider (instructor) instructing you on what to do and where you are wrong/confused.

Leaning more just means that you can't use as much throttle/ have less acceleration . Get to TWS (Texas World Speedway) this weekend with Ridesmart and us?!
I believe the TRACK is the best environment for anybody that wants to get better and faster SAFELY.... and by that i mean that you will need to push yourself and your bike more each time in order to get better and faster, so trying to push it on a street is quite a gamble.... specially for noob riders that don't understand lines, throttle control, braking, leaning, etc.
The track will provide you with all the theories so that you can absorb that knowledge and apply it at the track right away and practice!

To say that you can't learn on the street is not entirely true. I think the key word here is "SAFETY", and i believe only the track will give you that piece on mind that you need to just concentrate in the riding and nothing else.

I have never done a single track day in my life so everything that i have learned up to this point was strictly from back road riding (not highway riding). I have also used the same learning methods to coach other riders from our group and i can confidently say that most of them are better riders than they were before.

Our group and other senior members of this forum are tired of reading RIP theads all the times and this last week was the worst when we heard about RJ's (Soup) unfortunate death at RR. So now we are putting together a ride designed to teach the basics of riding back road twisties to all the noobs out there that have the need to improve their skills. Again we seriously advice that the TRACK is the best place to improve, but realistically we understand that most of the riders that end up in RIP threads are fairly new to riding so having a track day in their agenda is next to none. Please understand that this ride will never teach you more than the track, its only designed to cover the basics of back road riding so that at least the new riders will be better armed when hitting those turns.

Once we have all the details worked out i will post it asap. Any senior members interested in helping out with the coaching please let us know!
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Ummm. OK. Putting a street class together to teach all of the noobs how to ride - no offense, but your profile says that you have one year of experience and you've never been on a race track.

You may be the coolest nicest most level-headed guy on the planet. I don't know, and I don't know you so I'll give the benefit of the doubt. That's the problem with the interweb. I only know some of you by what you post - and that certainly works in reverse as well.

I'm not trying to flame you - I'm sure many others will pick up that ball and run with it. I just don't want to see anyone get hurt.

It's true that more time in the saddle does not always directly equate to greater skill. I've known people that have been riding for a couple years with better skill sets than some riding for longer. It does, however, have a direct impact on experience, judgement and knowledge. Who do YOU go to when you need advice and instruction?

Somewhere in my 20s I learned the hard way via a broken back. I thought my skill set was adequate, but was outdone by trying to keep pace with a few new friends - one of whom teaches for Kevin Schwantz now, but I didn't know how fast he was at the time. I got in over my head and paid with some vertebrae. I was by no means cocky then or now - I just didn't realize how much I didn't know. I knew at that point I had a choice - give up riding or learn how to ride better. I've never been a quitter.

I have seen more than enough people hurt and killed in my life in many different situations. Some of which were not only preventable, but caused directly by a lack of judgement and an inaccurate assesment of their own skills.

I remember being on the track at Talladega GPR on one of my first track days and thinking I was tearing it up pretty good. Wore out a pair of brand new pucks and started eating into the leg on my leathers before I realized it. My ego would have survived intact if it weren't for Opie Caylor, Josh Hayes and Brian Stokes being on the track at the same time and lapping me like I was sitting still. I went to guys like Brian, Opie, Ted Cobb and the other faster riders when I needed advice - and I got good info. Whatever you're telling the "noobs" make sure that it's good info as well.

And, nice bike. I'm more than a little partial to Ducs myself.
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