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Old 11-04-2010, 09:44 PM   #821
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Marines have a immense respect for one another. Once a Marine, always a Marine, Brothers….

One thing you have to understand, Marine Brothers have nicknames for each other, there is no respect lost when one Marine calls another nicknames like “Remington Raiders”, “Office Bunny” or “BAMs (Broad-A** Marines)” for the female Marines.

But, a Marine is defined by Honor, Integrity and Respect. What this guy is doing goes against everything that is drilled into you in the Corps.

You earn Respect, you dont demand it!

Where is the Honor in feeding ones ego by twisting up laws for self gratification?
By Holstclaw selectively ticketing Motorcycles by how they look and sound is no different than how a racist thinks… He has a mental picture of how his world should look.

But, then again, it almost worked with Hitler…..
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Old 11-04-2010, 10:05 PM   #822
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Well I have been out of it the last several days with an abcessed tooth. I just caught up on the thread and just wanted to say that I am with honorsdaddy on this one. I plan to fight this ticket for the good of everyone. There is a letter of the law and the spirit of the law and Officer Holtsclaw is not following either when it comes to citing motorcycles for loud pipes. I have given thousands of citations myself when I was a motorcycle traffic officer. I know when an Officer is on a Crusaide and when he is just doing his job. This officer is using the color of authority to PROFILE and target a certain group of people.
I for one don't plan to bow down and accept a citation for something I didn't do wrong.
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Well I have been out of it the last several days with an abcessed tooth. I just caught up on the thread and just wanted to say that I am with honorsdaddy on this one. I plan to fight this ticket for the good of everyone. There is a letter of the law and the spirit of the law and Officer Holtsclaw is not following either when it comes to citing motorcycles for loud pipes. I have given thousands of citations myself when I was a motorcycle traffic officer. I know when an Officer is on a Crusaide and when he is just doing his job. This officer is using the color of authority to PROFILE and target a certain group of people.
I for one don't plan to bow down and accept a citation for something I didn't do wrong.
It is so refreshing to see even ex law enforcement using common sense om here. Some people so blindly take the police's side and will argue til the cows come home.

I am not anti-police, I am very pro-police. I am anti power abusing and corrupt police.

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Well I have been out of it the last several days with an abcessed tooth. I just caught up on the thread and just wanted to say that I am with honorsdaddy on this one. I plan to fight this ticket for the good of everyone. There is a letter of the law and the spirit of the law and Officer Holtsclaw is not following either when it comes to citing motorcycles for loud pipes. I have given thousands of citations myself when I was a motorcycle traffic officer. I know when an Officer is on a Crusaide and when he is just doing his job. This officer is using the color of authority to PROFILE and target a certain group of people.
I for one don't plan to bow down and accept a citation for something I didn't do wrong.
Who is he profiling?
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He is clearly profiling Motorcycle riders and he throws in a few cars too. I spoke with him and he was getting very upset after he issued the citation, yelling that people like me were making normal motorcycle riders like him look bad.
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Chew his out, after you sign the ticket. Then you do not get arrested and you can tell him what a sorry POS he is. Thats law.
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Holtsclaw was mentioned on KTBZ HD1 this morning for ticketing motorcycles even "harleys w stock pipes" by sound alone, not a decible meter. The announcers made him out to sound crazy.
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Holtsclaw was mentioned on KTBZ HD1 this morning for ticketing motorcycles even "harleys w stock pipes" by sound alone, not a decible meter. The announcers made him out to sound crazy.
Yeah, they were just talking about him on the rod ryan show a few minutes ago and said basically the same thing, crazy.
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Holtsclaw was mentioned on KTBZ HD1 this morning for ticketing motorcycles even "harleys w stock pipes" by sound alone, not a decible meter. The announcers made him out to sound crazy.
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Yeah, they were just talking about him on the rod ryan show a few minutes ago and said basically the same thing, crazy.
even better... wait. ktbz is 94.5 lol same station
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He is clearly profiling Motorcycle riders and he throws in a few cars too. I spoke with him and he was getting very upset after he issued the citation, yelling that people like me were making normal motorcycle riders like him look bad.
Clearly, huh? You don't think it might just seem that way because we are on a motorcycle forum? I mean, do you really expect all the ricers he tickets are going to find Motohouston and talk about it? Do you have any kind of statistic of how many tickets he gives to bikes vs. cars to support your claims or is this just something you know in your heart? I've told a lot of people that they hurt the image of the motorcycle community, that doesn't mean I'm now "profiling motorcycle riders."
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My .02 cents if its worth anything.

I don't agree with what Rick is doing. Really I don't. BUT

We all have pet peeves that rub us the wrong way. There are some officers who pop speeders all day. Others search for DUI's all day.

His pet peeve is loud pipes. On cars, bikes, trucks, what have you. Why Honour's daddy got booked... Frankly there is no telling. Story is pretty one sided.

He is within the law. Penal code doesn't say anything about having to display the meter, lazer, or any instrument to the civilian. In court, yes but on the side of the street... No.

So trying to argue with any officer on the side of the road is not a good idea. Granted some people have power trips and such. But in terms of doing his job... He is doing that.
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My .02 cents if its worth anything.

I don't agree with what Rick is doing. Really I don't. BUT

We all have pet peeves that rub us the wrong way. There are some officers who pop speeders all day. Others search for DUI's all day.

His pet peeve is loud pipes. On cars, bikes, trucks, what have you. Why Honour's daddy got booked... Frankly there is no telling. Story is pretty one sided.

He is within the law. Penal code doesn't say anything about having to display the meter, lazer, or any instrument to the civilian. In court, yes but on the side of the street... No.

So trying to argue with any officer on the side of the road is not a good idea. Granted some people have power trips and such. But in terms of doing his job... He is doing that.
Just like I said in another thread the other day. They can and will haul your in if they feel like it. There is always a BS charge they can throw down on you.
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Just like I said in another thread the other day. They can and will haul your in if they feel like it. There is always a BS charge they can throw down on you.
Speeding and open containers are the only non-arrestable traffic offenses. A police officer doesn't need much imagination to tack on an arrestable offense to either.
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Clearly, huh? You don't think it might just seem that way because we are on a motorcycle forum? I mean, do you really expect all the ricers he tickets are going to find Motohouston and talk about it? Do you have any kind of statistic of how many tickets he gives to bikes vs. cars to support your claims or is this just something you know in your heart? I've told a lot of people that they hurt the image of the motorcycle community, that doesn't mean I'm now "profiling motorcycle riders."
First off your not in a position to PROFILE. There is a different standard placed on people in a position of power than the average citizen. A Police Officer can not let his PERSONAL FEELINGS be his motivation when targeting and citing people. This is called "Harrassment under Color of Authority". He has a badge that allows him to stop anyone for any reasonable reason and you have to comply weather you want to or not. He may be right, he may be wrong but while he is dealing with you he has all the power and authority. You my friend do not have that power. Abuse of Power is very common. Just because he also cites cars and answers radio calls does not mean he is not profiling motorcycle riders.

When a City Official such as a Police Officer gains a reputation like he has there is a reason. How many other Officers do you hear of? You are right not every cited comes on this forum. There is a similar conversation on the Corvette forum, but they even mention that he is targeting motorcycles most of all. I was a Police Officer for 20 years, I know the inner workings and the Rules of Conduct. The average citizen "you" do not have access to the inner politics of the situation. You only see from a citizens point of view. Does this make sense to you?
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First off your not in a position to PROFILE. There is a different standard placed on people in a position of power than the average citizen. A Police Officer can not let his PERSONAL FEELINGS be his motivation when targeting and citing people. This is called "Harrassment under Color of Authority". He has a badge that allows him to stop anyone for any reasonable reason and you have to comply weather you want to or not. He may be right, he may be wrong but while he is dealing with you he has all the power and authority. You my friend do not have that power. Abuse of Power is very common. Just because he also cites cars and answers radio calls does not mean he is not profiling motorcycle riders.

When a City Official such as a Police Officer gains a reputation like he has there is a reason. How many other Officers do you hear of? You are right not every cited comes on this forum. There is a similar conversation on the Corvette forum, but they even mention that he is targeting motorcycles most of all. I was a Police Officer for 20 years, I know the inner workings and the Rules of Conduct. The average citizen "you" do not have access to the inner politics of the situation. You only see from a citizens point of view. Does this make sense to you?
+1 I like the way he stated this.

Its easy to say stuff from the outside in. Its another thing to speak to the officer directly. Hear from other officers.
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