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Old 11-02-2010, 03:03 PM   #721
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None actually. There is no noise standard for motor vehicles in the City of Houston. THAT is the entire issue. This guy is arbitrarily enforcing a non-existent law to his own subjective standards.
so easily beat then, right!
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Old 11-02-2010, 03:06 PM   #722
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This only applies to commercial or residential property. Not to motor vehicles.
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It a "City" noise ordinance, it includes any noise inside the city limits.....
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The use of any motor vehicle so out of repair, so loaded, or so noisy that it creates any loud and unreasonable grating, grinding, rattling, or any other loud and unreasonable sound is hereby prohibited and declared to be unlawful.
Cops have to use discretion when it comes to laws but he is taking this one too literal. If the noise from the bike is annoying to him, therefore it is illegal. He's a douche and he'll continue to be a douche until he retires, or more than likely, forced to retire.
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None actually. There is no noise standard for motor vehicles in the City of Houston. THAT is the entire issue. This guy is arbitrarily enforcing a non-existent law to his own subjective standards.
Uhm City Ordinance...

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The use of any automobile, motorcycle, or other vehicle so out of repair, so loaded, or in such a manner so as to create loud and unreasonable grating, grinding, rattling or any other loud and unreasonable sound is hereby prohibited and declared to be unlawful.
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How does anyone mow their lawn in Houston when the average power lawn mower is 85db?

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The sound was produced by operating or permitting the operation of any mechanically powered saw, drill, sander, router, grinder, lawn or garden tool, lawnmower, or any other similar device used between the hours of 7:00 a.m. and 8:00 p.m., provided the device did not produce a sound exceeding 85 dB(A) when measured from the property line of the nearest residential property where the sound is being received and was used for the maintenance or upkeep of the property on which it was operated.
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so easily beat then, right!
Yes, but you still have to take the time to DO it.

Thats the part so many people ignore.
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I don't think arguing with a cop on the side of the road will ever be kosher, and if it were I don't think you would ever give the police officer a change of heart. Maybe ya'll could go to starbucks and pour over a legal code book before he takes you to jail? However, I think states should reimburse everyone found NOT guilty for their time & money. , you pay them court fees when they when, how come they can't pay you when you win? You could always sue them, but one would think winning in court would be enough.
i think he should do that, once found not guilty, he should file a civil suit back against the city to recoup attorney's fees and time taken off work. I know I'm gonna do it on the next BS speeding ticket i get. I've had one but hopefully it won't happen again.
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Cops have to use discretion when it comes to laws but he is taking this one too literal. If the noise from the bike is annoying to him, therefore it is illegal. He's a douche and he'll continue to be a douche until he retires, or more than likely, forced to retire.
oh I agree,
and considering sunday
i got pulled over for wheelie, constable ( let go) and then again waller co. 94 in a 60 (let go)

Im very happy with the discretion I received

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Yes, but you still have to take the time to DO it.

Thats the part so many people ignore.
yes they always set it like two years down the road hope you forget
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It a "City" noise ordinance, it includes any noise inside the city limits.....
Sec. 30-6. - Maximum permissible sound levels.

(a)In addition to the violations established by the preceding sections of this chapter, no person shall conduct, permit, or allow any activity or sound source to produce a sound discernible at any location beyond the property lines of the property on which the sound is being generated that when measured as provided in section 30-7 of this Code exceeds the applicable dB(A) level listed below for the property on which the sound is received:

(1)Residential property:
a.65 dB(A) during daytime hours.
b.58 dB(A) during nighttime hours.
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These: http://rinehartracing.com/exhausts/s...flers/500-0101

Legal in all states other than CA due to CA emissions control laws.

Stock head pipes

My bike has no catalyst from the factory as it was not required in 2009.

They are designed to be fairly quiet, and in fact, are quieter than virtually every non-stock pipe, including 50-state legal pipes in the HD P&A catalog. They're actually quieter than many stock pipes on other machines.
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"And so, this tiny metal deathtrap becomes known as the ultimate form of freedom. Like a steampunk cyborg, man and machine fuse to make a symbol of what you can become when style and speed matter more than safety and efficiency. Is it any wonder that some people just get mad every time they see a motorcycle go by? Because it challenges everything they have, while proving to them that they donít have enough."
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Really have your panties in a wad over Honorsdaddy huh?
I don't mind the guy, offered to help him via PM actually. Had he not posted a thread asking for money I wouldn't care less, but I want his "supporters" to be sure they know what they are supporting. Everyone in here is discussing the legality of his pipes and you single me out for posting about it?
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"And so, this tiny metal deathtrap becomes known as the ultimate form of freedom. Like a steampunk cyborg, man and machine fuse to make a symbol of what you can become when style and speed matter more than safety and efficiency. Is it any wonder that some people just get mad every time they see a motorcycle go by? Because it challenges everything they have, while proving to them that they donít have enough."
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I don't mind the guy, offered to help him via PM actually. Had he not posted a thread asking for money I wouldn't care less, but I want his "supporters" to be sure they know what they are supporting. Everyone in here is discussing the legality of his pipes and you single me out for posting about it?
The pipes are 100% legal in Texas. They are NOT legal in areas that have emissions controls.

We don't have them for motorcycles.

If the vehicle meets standards for the county in which it is registered, then it is legal for road use. The personal opinions of one particular officer do not override the statutes.
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Sec. 30-6. - Maximum permissible sound levels.

(a)In addition to the violations established by the preceding sections of this chapter, no person shall conduct, permit, or allow any activity or sound source to produce a sound discernible at any location beyond the property lines of the property on which the sound is being generated that when measured as provided in section 30-7 of this Code exceeds the applicable dB(A) level listed below for the property on which the sound is received:

(1)Residential property:
a.65 dB(A) during daytime hours.
b.58 dB(A) during nighttime hours.
it also states 68dB for non-residential. you can't drive ANY car on the highway at 60mph without the wind noise and tire noise being over 68dB. go stand beside the freeway with a dosimeter and see what type of reading you get
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Really have your panties in a wad over Honorsdaddy huh?
HE's trying to help...


Im trying to dig through the code and stuff... I want to say I recall some stuff in regards to replacing oem with aftermarket and not using 'approved' equipment. (Aftermarket signals for example, are technicaly supposed to be DoT approved, presuming i recall it correctly).


To assume this is a simple cut and dry 'case' could be doing themselves a disfavor.
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The pipes are 100% legal in Texas. They are NOT legal in areas that have emissions controls.

We don't have them for motorcycles.

If the vehicle meets standards for the county in which it is registered, then it is legal for road use. The personal opinions of one particular officer do not override the statutes.
I understand that is your defense, however, the company that produces them states otherwise. I'm sure it's a liability thing, but still...

Furthermore, I specifically inquired about Texas, not that I think they have any factual knowledge of the laws governing Texas or Houston specifically.
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Uhm City Ordinance...
well then why isn't he targeting all the hoopty lawn mowing trucks or the other 50,000 pieces of riding around this town... wouldn't that make this harassment or discrimination?
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Im trying to dig through the code and stuff... I want to say I recall some stuff in regards to replacing oem with aftermarket and not using 'approved' equipment. (Aftermarket signals for example, are technicaly supposed to be DoT approved, presuming i recall it correctly).


To assume this is a simple cut and dry 'case' could be doing themselves a disfavor.
I thank you for your perspective but you and Dvl are ignoring the fact that the statutes do not require a thing other than a functioning muffler with a baffle.

Were this CA or CO, i'd say it was different, However, it ISN'T.

The statute Holtsclaw is attempting to enforce is not valid as he is doing it, and frankly the courts know it. Anyone who fights it, wins. Every. Single. Time.

He was even SPECIFICALLY ordered by his department to stop writing tickets for it.

Takes a special kind of stupid to sue your boss to be able to write an unenforceable ticket ...but yet that is what he did.
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