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Old 11-02-2010, 12:59 PM   #701
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I don't think arguing with a cop on the side of the road will ever be kosher, and if it were I don't think you would ever give the police officer a change of heart. Maybe ya'll could go to starbucks and pour over a legal code book before he takes you to jail? However, I think states should reimburse everyone found NOT guilty for their time & money. , you pay them court fees when they when, how come they can't pay you when you win? You could always sue them, but one would think winning in court would be enough.
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If I remember correctly being detained and being arrested are two different things. Mind you there is a very thin line between them but still different.
Yes they are. In either case, one is 100% within his legal rights to ask why he is being detained or arrested
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When you're detained for an illegal reason, i see nothing wrong with informing the officer he is mistaken.

It is no different than being detained for walking on the sidewalk or traveling through a green light.

The officer's willful misrepresentation of reality does not magically become justified just because he has a badge.
In his opinion you broke the law. I wouldn't argue over that with a cop
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True but just rolling over when the cop tickets you gives him the authority to force you to lose time and money to resist his illegal actions - and gives tacit permission TO those actions if they are not resisted.

So then, if you knew this, you were almost asking for it ...You thought you were gonna get over on him and he showed you that "nope, honorsdaddy, I'm an even more stubborn than you"

Just saying, you shoulda just grabbed the ticket and argued it out with the person that makes the ultimate decision or like this thread says STFU
http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...highlight=STFU

You didn't wanna waste time and money, how much time are you spending now?? won't even bring up the money, cuz we all see that you need a thread started to raise funds.

Good for you for sticking to your principles tho you just should have been smarter about it.
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So then, if you knew this, you were almost asking for it ...You thought you were gonna get over on him and he showed you that "nope, honorsdaddy, I'm an even more stubborn than you"

Just saying, you shoulda just grabbed the ticket and argued it out with the person that makes the ultimate decision or like this thread says STFU
http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...highlight=STFU

You didn't wanna waste time and money, how much time are you spending now?? won't even bring up the money, cuz we all see that you need a thread started to raise funds.

Good for you for sticking to your principles tho you just should have been smarter about it.
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I ride a ZX-6R.

But anyway, I can't do much in jail now can I.
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So then, if you knew this, you were almost asking for it ...You thought you were gonna get over on him and he showed you that "nope, honorsdaddy, I'm an even more stubborn than you"

Just saying, you shoulda just grabbed the ticket and argued it out with the person that makes the ultimate decision or like this thread says STFU
http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...highlight=STFU

You didn't wanna waste time and money, how much time are you spending now?? won't even bring up the money, cuz we all see that you need a thread started to raise funds.

Good for you for sticking to your principles tho you just should have been smarter about it.
One of the unfortunate realities of our legal system is, one must prove actual harm to change anything. So, to correct an abuse of power situation, one must actually be abused....

Sucks but that is how it is.
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One of the unfortunate realities of our legal system is, one must prove actual harm to change anything. So, to correct an abuse of power situation, one must actually be abused....

Sucks but that is how it is.


Good luck in your crusade but like someone on another thread said, "you are a big boy and talk a big game" your mouth got you in this mess...you get yourself out, not only did your actions cost you more money now, now you want it to cost other people money. No Thank You.
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Good luck in your crusade but like someone on another thread said, "you are a big boy and talk a big game" your mouth got you in this mess...you get yourself out, not only did your actions cost you more money now, now you want it to cost other people money. No Thank You.
thank you for your intelligent input. I'll give it the consideration it deserves.
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Sec. 30-7. - Method of sound measurement.

Whenever portions of this chapter prohibit sound over a certain decibel limit, measurement shall be made with a Type 1 or Type 2 calibrated sound level meter utilizing the A-weighting scale and the slow meter response as specified by the American National Standards Institute (A.N.S.I. S1.4-1984/85A). Measurements recorded shall be taken so as to provide a proper representation of the sound being measured. The microphone of the meter shall be positioned so as not to create any unnatural enhancement or diminution of the measured sound.
A windscreen for the microphone shall be used. Measurements of sound generated shall be taken from the property line of the nonresidential property or residential property where the sound is received to the source of the sound.

(Ord. No. 01-945, § 2, 10-17-01)
dB(A) level listed below for the property on which the sound is received:

(1)Residential property:
a.65 dB(A) during daytime hours.
b.58 dB(A) during nighttime hours.
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I don't see how he could have any evidence to support his allegation
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Good luck in your crusade but like someone on another thread said, "you are a big boy and talk a big game" your mouth got you in this mess...you get yourself out, not only did your actions cost you more money now, now you want it to cost other people money. No Thank You.
I'm glad someone has the time, willingness and support to do this. is long overdue.
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Sec. 30-7. - Method of sound measurement.

Whenever portions of this chapter prohibit sound over a certain decibel limit, measurement shall be made with a Type 1 or Type 2 calibrated sound level meter utilizing the A-weighting scale and the slow meter response as specified by the American National Standards Institute (A.N.S.I. S1.4-1984/85A). Measurements recorded shall be taken so as to provide a proper representation of the sound being measured. The microphone of the meter shall be positioned so as not to create any unnatural enhancement or diminution of the measured sound.
A windscreen for the microphone shall be used. Measurements of sound generated shall be taken from the property line of the nonresidential property or residential property where the sound is received to the source of the sound.

(Ord. No. 01-945, § 2, 10-17-01)
dB(A) level listed below for the property on which the sound is received:

(1)Residential property:
a.65 dB(A) during daytime hours.
b.58 dB(A) during nighttime hours.
(2)Nonresidential property: 68 dB
(A) at all times.

I don't see how he could have any evidence to support his allegation
Wrong standard actually - that has to be sustained sound. Traffic noise doesnt count.
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How does anyone mow their lawn in Houston when the average power lawn mower is 85db?
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Wrong standard actually - that has to be sustained sound. Traffic noise doesnt count.
oh really??
which standard would apply?
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the following factors shall be considered: time of day; proximity to residential structures; whether the noise is recurrent, intermittent, or constant; the volume and intensity;
None actually. There is no noise standard for motor vehicles in the City of Houston. THAT is the entire issue. This guy is arbitrarily enforcing a non-existent law to his own subjective standards.
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Sec. 30-7. - Method of sound measurement.

Whenever portions of this chapter prohibit sound over a certain decibel limit, measurement shall be made with a Type 1 or Type 2 calibrated sound level meter utilizing the A-weighting scale and the slow meter response as specified by the American National Standards Institute (A.N.S.I. S1.4-1984/85A). Measurements recorded shall be taken so as to provide a proper representation of the sound being measured. The microphone of the meter shall be positioned so as not to create any unnatural enhancement or diminution of the measured sound.
A windscreen for the microphone shall be used. Measurements of sound generated shall be taken from the property line of the nonresidential property or residential property where the sound is received to the source of the sound.

(Ord. No. 01-945, § 2, 10-17-01)
dB(A) level listed below for the property on which the sound is received:

(1)Residential property:
a.65 dB(A) during daytime hours.
b.58 dB(A) during nighttime hours.
(2)Nonresidential property: 68 dB
(A) at all times.

I don't see how he could have any evidence to support his allegation
This only applies to commercial or residential property. Not to motor vehicles.
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