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Old 05-07-2010, 09:40 AM   #401
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let me get this straight because i am not a scientist. so because the exhaust directs the sound backwards, it cannot be heard on the side of the bike?

so lets say your stock exhaust was 80db(thanks officer ) and you got an aftermarket exhaust thats 120db. because this aftermarket exhaust is pointing backwards are you insinuating that a motorist beside you on a local traffic packed road is going to hear only 80db from the side thereby making the louder exhaust pointless?


or did i get the direction argument wrong?
Let's start, that for some reason I quoted/responded to someone else, you appear to think it was directed at you.

First off, as stated...if your crusing along maintaining position of midpoint of a car in an adjacent lane, you're not riding safe. Yea in heavy traffic it can be a pita not to be in that position, but it's not impossible... but in that position the driver is NOT getting the 'full' note of your exhaust. This does get the question, what is the actual level...
Anyone behind you is, but that's not going to do squat for you with someone changing lanes.
If you're moving fast enough, all your really doing is going to annoy or scare the out of anyone as you pass em, that doesn't do a fat lot of good either.
So you upgrade your exhaust from 80db to 120 db, that does not neccessarily equate to a 40db increase to the sides/front.
Ears.... you ever notice that people people tend to 'hear' better from the side/head-on than from the rear.


There's another factor....that brings the issue to a wall. At what point do your individual rights, overwhelm the rights of others? DO you think, that a car made in 1960 has same capability of sound damping as a car made in 2010? Do you think they won't continue to improve sound damping capabilities within cars? Let's presume they do...does this mean the noise level of exhaust should be allowed to increase?


So, in all.. yea a louder exhaust can have some...but likely minimal impact on an increase in safety and quickly approaches a point of being both a health issue and annoyance. It definitly not something that should be relied on as a 'safey' measure by any means. Go loud enough and you become a hazard and potentially put yourself at more risk than less.
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Are your friends 50-60 years old? Consider, Ot for $20-$30 is $30-45...so for $55.20, base of 36.8.

Loud pipes...comparing to headlights? It kills me that ya'll keep ignoring the directional aspect of this stuff.
What I meant was the rate of $20-$30 per hour is the actual pay rate they receive in court. That is including their overtime sir, unless you actually believe their salary averages out to $36.80 per hour on a regular basis. So you're telling me the City of Houston doles out $70,656 for each and every cop?

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What I meant was the rate of $20-$30 per hour is the actual pay rate they receive in court. That is including their overtime sir, unless you actually believe their salary averages out to $36.80 per hour on a regular basis. So you're telling me the City of Houston doles out $70,656 for each and every cop?

Why don't you try thinking before you post.
$20/hr is nothing when it's OT pay, if he makes $15/hr OT= $22/hr, and $15/hr is rookie pay.. so you can do the math at $30/hr or more.

and yeah $70k for a senior cop sounds about right.
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$20/hr is nothing when it's OT pay, if he makes $15/hr OT= $22/hr, and $15/hr is rookie pay.. so you can do the math at $30/hr or more.

and yeah $70k for a senior cop sounds about right.
+1 being that this cop is a senior citizen he probably is making that in OT why I never questioned it either.
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Let's start, that for some reason I quoted/responded to someone else, you appear to think it was directed at you.

First off, as stated...if your crusing along maintaining position of midpoint of a car in an adjacent lane, you're not riding safe. Yea in heavy traffic it can be a pita not to be in that position, but it's not impossible... but in that position the driver is NOT getting the 'full' note of your exhaust. This does get the question, what is the actual level...
Anyone behind you is, but that's not going to do squat for you with someone changing lanes.
If you're moving fast enough, all your really doing is going to annoy or scare the out of anyone as you pass em, that doesn't do a fat lot of good either.
So you upgrade your exhaust from 80db to 120 db, that does not neccessarily equate to a 40db increase to the sides/front.
Ears.... you ever notice that people people tend to 'hear' better from the side/head-on than from the rear.

oh, and i dont think it is about me. i just think its an open discussion so i could raise my post count with my own opinion which really does not change anything but my post count just like yours


There's another factor....that brings the issue to a wall. At what point do your individual rights, overwhelm the rights of others? DO you think, that a car made in 1960 has same capability of sound damping as a car made in 2010? Do you think they won't continue to improve sound damping capabilities within cars? Let's presume they do...does this mean the noise level of exhaust should be allowed to increase?


So, in all.. yea a louder exhaust can have some...but likely minimal impact on an increase in safety and quickly approaches a point of being both a health issue and annoyance. It definitly not something that should be relied on as a 'safey' measure by any means. Go loud enough and you become a hazard and potentially put yourself at more risk than less.
i do not disagree with any of the above.

that minimal effect a "louder than stock" sounding exhaust may have in alerting someone you are might be the difference between you trading paint with thaat motorist or not.

honestly, people who are pro-louder exhaust for the most part dont put their lives on it, they(including me) just want to raise our chances of being noticed even if its by 00000.1%

but guys who are anti loud exhausts generally make it sound like the pro-exhaust guys are all running open headers going 80mph on 3rd gear with no gear or knowlegde of how to riide a motorcycle.

i ride with my highbeams always on. why because, i'll rather annoy a driver and have him flash his light at me than have him ot see me. selfish? totally! so is self preservation.

about the issue of riding beside a car, 10 minutes ago i came from 610 N onto 59 south. i had a good "more than necessary space" in front of me from the car in front.

as soon as the ramp ended, the guys coming from 610S unto 59S had their lane join with mine without any merging so i was beside a long line of cars riding each others bumper and then the guys who were already on 59 got on my left side, same situation. i was riding my bro's new bike ZX6R which is quiter than a prius. i was riding mellow anyways so i just kept my eyes open just in case someone was in too much hurry to use their mirrors. at that point, i started thinking how full of it it is to claim you can avoid being beside cars if you really "commute daily" around houston.

i am in that very intersection at least once everyday. so i like the feeling that my odds are 0.00000000000001% higher of not being side swiped because i was hear cos by bike was 1 decibel louder than the driver's radio.

i'm not saying thats the situation for every commuter but for me in houston, thats what is involvd in my commuting and that is why i want to be heard(added to "being cool")

loud exhaust does not mean open headers. loud exhaust means louder than stock and like you stated above it may have minimal effect but who's to say that minimal effect among other minimal effects like your lights dudring the day would not be the difference between being noticed and being sideswiped?

oh, i dont think its about me. just contributing to an open discussion and it does not change anything but my post count just like your opinion
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blah. why even bother talking about the scientifics...we all know its got nothing to do with the arguement. orange reflective vests save lives too...how many chopper and harley riders (or any riders for that matter) wear them. very very few, i would say less than 1% and those that do are required to wear them by whichever part of the armed services they are in.

here is a hypothetical arguement. you know those back alarms many trucks are required to have? what if the transportation code allowed MC's to have something similar, but with a unique tone and pattern to let motorists know a MC was nearby. now lets say it was incredibly effective at letting people know you are nearby, and dramaticly cut down on MC accidents, injuries, deaths...how many riders would take the option to put it in? ok, some might be on the fence about it...ok, now make the alarm sound high pitched and really gay...now who wants one on their big dog? no one. you would get the same attitude about those as you do from riders who refuse to wear helmets.
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What I meant was the rate of $20-$30 per hour is the actual pay rate they receive in court. That is including their overtime sir, unless you actually believe their salary averages out to $36.80 per hour on a regular basis. So you're telling me the City of Houston doles out $70,656 for each and every cop?

Why don't you try thinking before you post.
Why don't you... do you think the 50-60yr old guy is a rookie?
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What I meant was the rate of $20-$30 per hour is the actual pay rate they receive in court. That is including their overtime sir, unless you actually believe their salary averages out to $36.80 per hour on a regular basis. So you're telling me the City of Houston doles out $70,656 for each and every cop?

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loud exhaust does not mean open headers. loud exhaust means louder than stock and like you stated above it may have minimal effect but who's to say that minimal effect among other minimal effects like your lights dudring the day would not be the difference between being noticed and being sideswiped?

oh, i dont think its about me. just contributing to an open discussion and it does not change anything but my post count just like your opinion
I realize it, but you're missing my and the real gist at 'Ricks' posts. The 'increase' in sound as a safety measure amounts to a Strawman arguement. It's bunk, BS. Now while your talking about your 'commute' stop for a second and consider I've been doing it for over 2 decades. Want a commute? Try going from Greenspoint to Spring, to I-10/Belt 8, to Cavalcade & Elysian... then reversing that at 5pm.

I wear constrasting colors on my jacket/gear when I can. Up until it died, I'd been using a headlight modulator (screw highbeams, the modulator is much more fun). I upgraded to the horn, if I could find an eay way to mount an air-horn on there I'd do it. Yep, I replaced the stock can with a motogp one...and I love it, shaved some weight, reduced surface area for someone to get a burn and I thnk it sounds better. Have I gotten a sound violation yet? No...It's not 'loud', just a tad louder than stock.
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I realize it, but you're missing my and the real gist at 'Ricks' posts. The 'increase' in sound as a safety measure amounts to a Strawman arguement. It's bunk, BS. Now while your talking about your 'commute' stop for a second and consider I've been doing it for over 2 decades. Want a commute? Try going from Greenspoint to Spring, to I-10/Belt 8, to Cavalcade & Elysian... then reversing that at 5pm.

I wear constrasting colors on my jacket/gear when I can. Up until it died, I'd been using a headlight modulator (screw highbeams, the modulator is much more fun). I upgraded to the horn, if I could find an eay way to mount an air-horn on there I'd do it. Yep, I replaced the stock can with a motogp one...and I love it, shaved some weight, reduced surface area for someone to get a burn and I thnk it sounds better. Have I gotten a sound violation yet? No...It's not 'loud', just a tad louder than stock.

If its louder than stock you're screwed. You might as well turn yourself in now.
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now lets say it was incredibly effective at letting people know you are nearby, and dramaticly cut down on MC accidents, injuries, deaths...how many riders would take the option to put it in?
I didnt want to quote the whole thing, but THIS is exactly the reason why, I re-thought my mirror placement in my van. If I want to increase safety issues that I care about on my bike...then it should ALSO be an issue for me to see other motorcyclists when I am driving CAGED.

just because I am a motorcyclist, doesnt mean that I will always see them even though I know I am much more observant about my surroundings than most regular cagers. I would HATE to hit another rider (especially a friend) and say "I didnt see him" that would be EPIC FACEPALM

so I went out to wally world and got that BIG convexed double wide mirror that clips onto the stock rearview mirror. then adjusted the outside mirrors to have a very slight overlap of view angle to the convex mirror..

now when trolling down the road, not only do I not have ANY blind spots, I also have the visual cues from my "zones" distance wise where vehicles are around me

its less complicated than it sounds, and it only takes a second for a "full sweep/scan" to determine a safe GO/NO GO assesment. Side mirrors are not supposed to be pointed back at the driver, so you can see your elbow on the frame, or how cool you look in those sunglasses

besides, no one can tell you have your safety mirrors adjusted for SAFTEY . It can save a life...and will do so without your even knowing it

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