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Old 06-14-2006, 08:32 AM   #41
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"so what was he speeding from? come on tell me?"

anyone???????


btw, he didn't get shot at for speeding, he got shot at for running, and running at the officer.
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so what was he speeding from? come on tell me?
Still not understanding your questions?
from what i got, he was speeding, and got nailed by the leos while speeding and didn't want to get the ticket so he hauled .
Seems like i have heard alot of that happening even on this board here in Houston so it MUST happen in other states and cities.
Just don't think that deadly force is justified on a speeding violation.

Deadly force is that force with which if applied would cause, or a reasonable person would believe would cause death or serious bodily harm. Can't believe i still remember that.

I think most local PDs have a specific policy on what grounds deadly force is athorized hence u hear about the "he tried to run me over" excuse.
Seems i remember some kid getting shot in a movie theater parking lot by a local leo, said the kid would not stop and tried to "run him over" but the kid was hit from the rear direction, so the kid was past the leo.
I have no problems with leos doing their jobs and it's a tough one but seems to be too much mentality going on, and seems to be getting worse.
anyone remember Idale daleny?
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simple ? why was he speeding away from the cops? most people stop.
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simple ? why was he speeding away from the cops? most people stop.
so YOU tell us why he was speeding away. U said that he raped "my" daughter before and that was not true. just wondering what kinda insider info you seem to be getting that we are not.
making an assumption about rape again to me still does not justify deadly force.
innocent until proven guilty, Except your justice.
shoot first and ask why later.
I am guessing that u are NOT in law enforcement?
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i don't know.....i mean when a cop pulls me over, i stop..........whats he running from? a murder? a rape? a holdup? what reason does he have to run?

just because?

so was he really shooting at the guy for speeding or running? lets try and clarify that first.
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You keep asking what he was speeding away from....................

The cop had already pulled over the wrong person once.....yet he just magically knew the second bike he sees is THE bike he's looking for. Since of course only 2 silver looking kawasaki's were sold in Ca this year right?. It might have just been another guy on his way home that John Wayne decided to take a shot at. Luckily his aim doesn't seem to be much better than his judgement.
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i don't know.....i mean when a cop pulls me over, i stop..........whats he running from? a murder? a rape? a holdup? what reason does he have to run?

just because?

so was he really shooting at the guy for speeding or running? lets try and clarify that first.
From what i got from the release was that the guy did not stop, cop stepped into the road, didn't say anything about the guy riding on the sidewalk, infront of the cyclest, guy didn't stop so he shot at him. Again I THINK it is a violation of department procedures for him to put himself in harms way by going into the street infront of the cycle. HAD to be infront to justify the shooting, say from the curb then he is not in danger.
Didn't say anything about the cyclest chasing him and trying to run him down say in a yard. Don't THINK it said anything about the cycle chasing the officer, Most of the time street bikes are in the street, hence the wording "street bikes"
again all is just my opinion.

Question?
So WHAT laws can a person, in your opinion, break, and NOT be shot at?
If u break the law, you break the law.
In Texas, you are speeding if u are 1 mile over the posted speed limit.
so would you justify shooting at him at 1 mile over the speed limit?
Oh wait, he has to run into the street first THEN shoot at him cus his life was in danger.
I don't know what went on in the incident but for what we have read.
Should the racer have stopped? Absolutely, Myself i have never run from the cops, just easier to pay the ticket, but then i am abit older than most here.
Maybe it turns out the guy is a rapest after all. But my point is that u can't shoot at him for making that assumption as u stated earlier.

I can see that u are set in your opinions as myself. but with me it is just an opinion, nothing more
I don't know your background as a leo, I myself spent 4+ years working law enforcement for the USAF, Not the same but have a "little" knowledge in the field but it was LONG ago. Policies change.
Hopefully we will be able to keep track of the outcome of this story in the future.
as for now i am done.
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um yeah, he stepped out in ft of the bike, indicating for him to pull over..........so he guns it? vs the obvious choice of stopping..........
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guy should have pulled over... but the cop was wrong for shooting at him.. the guy did not put the cops life in any danger. He should have not walked into the middle of the road when there is a vehicle/bike coming...
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guy should have pulled over... but the cop was wrong for shooting at him.. the guy did not put the cops life in any danger. He should have not walked into the middle of the road when there is a vehicle/bike coming...
so now there's a police chase.............yeah.

like both bdmpastx said, too bad he missed.......:laughing6
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so now there's a police chase.............yeah.

like both bdmpastx said, too bad he missed.......:laughing6
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why, then it'd be boring..........but in the end it's all opinions........
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I still dont think the cop should of shot at the rider. What if the rider got hit and fall off the bike and the bike is going 100+ towards the oncoming traffic?
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too bad he missed, another felon off the streets.

wonder if lids are bullet-resistant?
Thats what I was just wondering myself.......uhhhh....not that I would ever race toward someone with a freaking gun pointed at me mind you.
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I still dont think the cop should of shot at the rider. What if the rider got hit and fall off the bike and the bike is going 100+ towards the oncoming traffic?
same thing as the rider running, hitting a car at 100+mph, maybe even better cuz there's not 175lb of projectile rider to deal w/.........:laughing6
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he was shooting on a highway with cars on it , and he missed the rider, what did the bullets hit (other cars?), i hope he gets fired, it would have been different if he hit the rider, then injured or mechanical failure, the bike veers towards the cop and hits him......some cops are dumb

plus dont they take shooting training, an object coming towards you is easier to hit than one going at 90 degrees, he needs more training, even going away he should have hit him, i hope hes never in a fire fight, his fellow cops are gonna get friendly fire


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and the rider should get the fullest extent of the law
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From the San Francisco Chronicle....

"Acting on a tip, the CHP on Tuesday searched the home of Ricky M. Aton and found 39 marijuana plants, a stolen motorcycle and a handgun, CHP spokesman Officer M.A. Williford said. He was booked into Solano County jail on charges of evading a peace officer, assault on a peace officer and possessing a stolen vehicle.

The arrest stemmed from an incident that occurred shortly after noon on Sunday on eastbound Interstate 80 in American Canyon, where a CHP officer clocked two motorcycles speeding at 85 mph, according to Williford."
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too bad he missed, another felon off the streets.

wonder in lids are bullet-resistant?
I seriosly doubt they would do much, all they are is a thin piece of plastic on top of what is essentially a styrofoam cooler. It would just keep the mess from getting to big.
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