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Old 04-07-2010, 10:38 AM   #1
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Lets Talk Jackets

Everyone cries snell and DOT. after the helmet, w still need to protect our skins so what to look for.

wether leather or textile.

for us noobs, is there any safety rating to look for?

i wear a UFO Pheonix 5.0 Mesh/Textile Jacket. it has a rating of "CE"

i doubt thats the only rating for Jackets.

so chime in, what ratings are there and What jackets have those ratings?

please, this is not a gear enforcement thread, its for me or anyone else to learn about jacket safety ratings.

knows i did not know what snell was cos even when i dragrace my car, i used to put on just any helmet thaat'ld get me into the track.
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Im pretty sure that CE just refers to the pads, not the jacket itself.

I would say that reputation with other riders, and their experiences in crashes will be the best reviews of jackets.

Oh, and while I have an Alpinestars mesh jacket for when its just super hot, I say mesh jackets arent really that great. Better than nothing by all means, but compared to textile and leather, mesh is pretty crappy.
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Im pretty sure that CE just refers to the pads, not the jacket itself.

I would say that reputation with other riders, and their experiences in crashes will be the best reviews of jackets.

Oh, and while I have an Alpinestars mesh jacket for when its just super hot, I say mesh jackets arent really that great. Better than nothing by all means, but compared to textile and leather, mesh is pretty crappy.
so are there different safety ratings for the pads/armor or is "CE" just a uniform standard?
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so are there different safety ratings for the pads/armor or is "CE" just a uniform standard?
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220012
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here is a good write up.
http://highvelocitygear.com/home.html
Bit hard to read.

CE is just a certificate of conformity to an impact standard minimum. There are multiple levels of protection, but the basics are how much pressure does the affected part of your body absorb given a specific impact. The lower the pressure the better.

Usually things that will protect you better will be thicker and more expensive, but not always. Do some research on the product you are interested in and talk to people that have gone down and get their recommendations.

Probably stay away from Icon, many have had bad experience with them; especially if used for a long period of time.

Material abrasion resistance usually follow:
bare skin; like butter on asphalt.
normal clothing like jeans and t-shirts; microseconds of protection in a slide.
Mesh; better than the above, but not all that good
Nylon; usually one time sliding and they are done, high speed may break through.
Kevlar; better than nylon, but is often so thin that a thick nylon would have been better, often used in impact areas for moto jeans.
Leather; standard traditional and stands up consistently. Cheap items may have issues with seam rips as the injury reason.
Chain maille; I so want to try this, I haven't read anything on it.
Plastic; slides really well and is dependent on the type. Knee pads are a good place for these.
Ceramic; really abrasion resistant and used in puck sliders.
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thanks guys

i just seen a guy on the R6 forum crash with these

Icon TiMax 2 Leather
Icon TiMax TRX gloves
HJC FS-15 Carbon

and they all held pretty well. helmet did not make any contact.

i dont really have any particular brand or product in mind, just want to know what to look for ie safety standards.

seeing the after ictures of those products listed up there have me interested in them but like i said, i'm am trying to see if there is some standard for safety i should be looking for.

i'm not going to be paying for any brand names.
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Every story I've heard about mesh (and one accident I saw), the mesh protected the rider with minimal injuries. The jacket was toast, but the rider's weren't missing any skin, only some burns.

So anyone have a story about when mesh didn't work?
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my textile/mesh is armored on the back, shoulder and elbows. also has a liner thats waterproof. its not like i'm riding around in a mesh shirt. thats why i got it. but for colder days, i think i might need something thicker.
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As a warning, ICON gear is considered to be "poser" gear by many for the price.
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As a warning, ICON gear is considered to be "poser" gear by many for the price.
i noticed icon gets a lot of heat.

but if the gear works and kees me safe, i'm wearing it. now, if it offers the same features as shoei and cost less, i'll get it but if it offers the same protection as joew rocket but cost more, i'm not wasting my money.
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OK, everyone knows that Icon makes street gear, not track gear. They do make some quality stuff though. I've got an Icon jacket that I bought used and it works just fine. Plenty of ventilation, pockets, and decent armor. Also have the field armor shin/knee guards. Love those, and much better than the A* ones IMO.

One piece of Icon gear that I have and don't like are the sub-dermal gloves. They're comfortable and all, but don't offer much protection. Need to upgrade those soon.

Their helmets look a bit ridiculous and yeah, no way would I buy one. Also that $1200 skull jacket that have... I mean WTF

Is Icon overpriced? Yeah, but I don't see how that makes them "poser" gear.
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Icon spends a lot in the looks department, but there have been quite a few cases of their gear coming apart in even low-speed spills.

Compared to A* or Dianese, icon is second grade.

There is a reason why you don't see ICON at the track.
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As far as mesh, textile and leather... most say leather no matter what. There are lots of vented leather jackets out there but I betcha at 80 at a red light it becomes unbearable. That's a good time to switch to mesh. Once at 90 and that becomes unbearable, mesh is a reasonable option. Houston heat and leather will never be compatible. Ive ridden in summer heat in mesh after running my head and torso in the shower for a minute and that was still unbearable. When I got to work in the ac, the water was steaming off of me.
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After considering the above, please consider zipper construction as well.

There is fine and corse zipper teeth. Guess which one is easier to pull up and down but also can be torn apart w your hands?


The best gear for you is what fits properly, doesnt allow alot of movement between it and your skin and also doesnt choke your movement.

The small things will make a big difference when it comes to jackets...

That foam pad wont stop your back from bending more then you had ever expected it to. Get a good spine support, Dainese makes a 7plate that allows full range of motion but backwards. It is very breathable too. A good spine support will not bend more then your back will, consider that.
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Mesh jackets with hard armor around your sliding points helps a lot. It is hot here in Texas so you have to run what keeps you cool. If I were in a leather jacket I would burn up. I have done a 65MPH slide in a Nitro Mesh jacket and got up with just a tad of road rash from where the jacket rolled up on my side. But nothing major it healed in a week.


Just make sure whats inside the jacket (armor) is not cheap flexible (yes sold in leather jackets as well.

Mesh held up well for me over the years rain or shine. You could always wear a leather vest and sleeveless shirt.
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I've highsided at around 40mph in a mesh A* jacket and it was still good. I now have an A* leather jacket, and will not wear mesh anymore. After wearing leather anything less just doesn't feel right. It may be hot, but if I'm going somewhere I need to look nice, I take the car.
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i'm not going to be paying for any brand names.
So you'd rather protect your hide with gear from a company you've never heard of, but I'm positive if we looked under the hood of your race car, we'd ALL know the names we saw on the parts...

For the cost of the wheels you have on your car, you could buy probably 2 good jackets (A*, Dianese, Tourmaster, Vanson), a couple pairs of good pants, 3-4 pairs of good gloves, a rainsuit and a Shoei, Arai or Schuberth helmet. Just sayin...
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So you'd rather protect your hide with gear from a company you've never heard of, but I'm positive if we looked under the hood of your race car, we'd ALL know the names we saw on the parts...

For the cost of the wheels you have on your car, you could buy probably 2 good jackets (A*, Dianese, Tourmaster, Vanson), a couple pairs of good pants, 3-4 pairs of good gloves, a rainsuit and a Shoei, Arai or Schuberth helmet. Just sayin...
DUH! the look is more important then safety!!!

www.vansonleathers.com

best $ can buy IMO, not super trendy like A* or ICON ()
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DUH! the look is more important then safety!!!

www.vansonleathers.com

best $ can buy IMO, not super trendy like A* or ICON ()
For the money, I'd rather have Langlitz...
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yeah i bet......

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J/K never heard of them.

had this jcket, wish i woulda never sold it

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