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Old 02-19-2010, 07:23 AM   #21
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i'm all for riding it hard out of the box, but as stated in the article, the first oil change is extremely important as that is where all the little metal particles and chit go. usually i will do an oil change after 200 miles, or 4 hours of run time. NEVER had an engine fail (ie, smoke/knock/etc) due to improper break in.
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I been around bikes for 30 years and this arguement has been discussed endlessly. How you break in a bike doesn't really make much difference except in one area... longevity.
If you buy a bike and don't plan on keeping it for more than 3-4 years, break it in how ever you want. If you are gonna keep it for the long haul then you should consider that the mfr's have been building bikes for decades. They want you to be happy with their product and they want them to last a long time. They have facilities and teams of engineers who have studied this and the suggest a specific break-in for a reason.

Now if you want to believe the website that says break them in hard and fast, go ahead, but there is one big hole in his theory...
He says that the cylinder walls are rough to wear the rings in and if it doesn't happen fast enough it never will. The rings are made from much harder metal then the cylinder and the rings wear the cylinder walls more then the other way around.
That is an important difference because the rings will keep wearing the cylinders whether they are freshly honed or not. The rings will seat whether you run the engine hard or not.
There is more to break-in than rings and cylinders. There are also gears and bearings that are getting to know one another. They may not like it much when you go forcing them to marry before they are ready.

Bottom line do what you want, you won't blow the motor, you won't hear knocks or grinding, but you may affect how long your engine lasts.
I mean, WTH do Yamaha or Honda know about it anyway? Probably that guy on the internet knows the best way...
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I been around bikes for 30 years and this arguement has been discussed endlessly. How you break in a bike doesn't really make much difference except in one area... longevity.
If you buy a bike and don't plan on keeping it for more than 3-4 years, break it in how ever you want. If you are gonna keep it for the long haul then you should consider that the mfr's have been building bikes for decades. They want you to be happy with their product and they want them to last a long time. They have facilities and teams of engineers who have studied this and the suggest a specific break-in for a reason.

Now if you want to believe the website that says break them in hard and fast, go ahead, but there is one big hole in his theory...
He says that the cylinder walls are rough to wear the rings in and if it doesn't happen fast enough it never will. The rings are made from much harder metal then the cylinder and the rings wear the cylinder walls more then the other way around.
That is an important difference because the rings will keep wearing the cylinders whether they are freshly honed or not. The rings will seat whether you run the engine hard or not.
There is more to break-in than rings and cylinders. There are also gears and bearings that are getting to know one another. They may not like it much when you go forcing them to marry before they are ready.

Bottom line do what you want, you won't blow the motor, you won't hear knocks or grinding, but you may affect how long your engine lasts.
I mean, WTH do Yamaha or Honda know about it anyway? Probably that guy on the internet knows the best way...
If you've been around bikes for 30 years you'd know that the manufacturer's recommended break in procedures haven't really changed in that same period. You know what that tells me? It tells me that the "facilities and teams of engineers" haven't really looked at break in procedures in that same period of time yet the manufacturing processes have drastically changed.

Think about it....
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If you've been around bikes for 30 years you'd know that the manufacturer's recommended break in procedures haven't really changed in that same period. You know what that tells me? It tells me that the "facilities and teams of engineers" haven't really looked at break in procedures in that same period of time yet the manufacturing processes have drastically changed.

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If you've been around bikes for 30 years you'd know that the manufacturer's recommended break in procedures haven't really changed in that same period. You know what that tells me? It tells me that the "facilities and teams of engineers" haven't really looked at break in procedures in that same period of time yet the manufacturing processes have drastically changed.

Think about it....
Maybe, but they have looked at and changed recommended oil change intervals
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If you've been around bikes for 30 years you'd know that the manufacturer's recommended break in procedures haven't really changed in that same period. You know what that tells me? It tells me that the "facilities and teams of engineers" haven't really looked at break in procedures in that same period of time yet the manufacturing processes have drastically changed.

Think about it....
I thought about it. I don't understand why you would think that because manufacturing processes have changed that the break-in should change very much as well.
Bearings haven't changed, gears haven't changed, rings and cylinders have changed a little but not enough to make me think some yahoo on a website has "discovered" some majic that the OEM doesn't know about.
Like I said, this arguement has raged forever. Some people have always advocated hard break-in but I am unconvinced.
Oh and FYI the break-in procedures HAVE changed for many bikes. The RPM limits and mileage have been modified to account for the previously mentioned ring/cyl matl' changes.

Here is something for you to think about...
An engine is a finely engineered, carefully machined piece of close tolerance equipment.
Does it really make good common sense to take one that is brand new and run the out of it, in spite of the fact that the people who built it have told you otherwise?

Do what you want, my prediction is you will see no difference unless you keep the bike for many miles, or you are the unfortunate second owner.
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Old 02-19-2010, 07:45 PM   #28
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I thought about it. I don't understand why you would think that because manufacturing processes have changed that the break-in should change very much as well.
Bearings haven't changed, gears haven't changed, rings and cylinders have changed a little but not enough to make me think some yahoo on a website has "discovered" some majic that the OEM doesn't know about.
Like I said, this arguement has raged forever. Some people have always advocated hard break-in but I am unconvinced.
Oh and FYI the break-in procedures HAVE changed for many bikes. The RPM limits and mileage have been modified to account for the previously mentioned ring/cyl matl' changes.

Here is something for you to think about...
An engine is a finely engineered, carefully machined piece of close tolerance equipment.
Does it really make good common sense to take one that is brand new and run the out of it, in spite of the fact that the people who built it have told you otherwise?

Do what you want, my prediction is you will see no difference unless you keep the bike for many miles, or you are the unfortunate second owner.

Gonna have to disagree. The platings, coatings and material specs have made hugh changes.

The materials are just waaaaay different.
Look what high $$$$$ engine builders do. They break them in on a dyno.
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Gonna have to disagree. The platings, coatings and material specs have made hugh changes.

The materials are just waaaaay different.
Look what high $$$$$ engine builders do. They break them in on a dyno.
What kind of engines do $$$$$ engine builders, build?

Probably racing or at least high performance right? Right.

I think it would be fair to assume that these engines will see more frequent teardowns and rebuilds than your typical streetbike.
Exactly what platings and coatings are you referring to? Bearings and gears are not typically coated or plated. I acknowledged that cylinders and rings have changed but, they still have to break-in.
Taking a close tolerance machine and forcing it to work near it's limits right out of the box is not how you make it last. Sure it'll do it, but it aint gonna like it and it just might give you trouble later on down the road.
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What kind of engines do $$$$$ engine builders, build?

Probably racing or at least high performance right? Right.

I think it would be fair to assume that these engines will see more frequent teardowns and rebuilds than your typical streetbike.
Exactly what platings and coatings are you referring to? Bearings and gears are not typically coated or plated. I acknowledged that cylinders and rings have changed but, they still have to break-in.
Taking a close tolerance machine and forcing it to work near it's limits right out of the box is not how you make it last. Sure it'll do it, but it aint gonna like it and it just might give you trouble later on down the road.

Sir, most sports bike engines are considered High performance engines.
So the ideals of breaking in a motor for what it is built to do makes more sense. Even for non-performance engines it makes sense, though most of the time the task starts with. Starting engine, letting it get to operation temp. Repeat next day. Repeat next day. Start engine, let it get to operation temp, run through first gear or more, then stick it on the dyno and tune. That last bit could be disregarded if you aren't tuning it. But it makes more sense to set things at a degree that during its highest point of threshold can handle, rather than to not.
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Sir, most sports bike engines are considered High performance engines.
So the ideals of breaking in a motor for what it is built to do makes more sense. Even for non-performance engines it makes sense, though most of the time the task starts with. Starting engine, letting it get to operation temp. Repeat next day. Repeat next day. Start engine, let it get to operation temp, run through first gear or more, then stick it on the dyno and tune. That last bit could be disregarded if you aren't tuning it. But it makes more sense to set things at a degree that during its highest point of threshold can handle, rather than to not.
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Well, I said my piece. You brains go ahead and do what you will. Honestly most of you won't keep your bikes for more than 2 yrs anyway.
And hey who cares about the next couple of people that own the bike? The most important thing is that I broke it in hard! Make that b**ch understand that's how it is!
You know that guy on the internet said I would gain 2hp!

Some poor slob that buys it when it gets 20,000 miles on it because he can't afford new... well, he'll learn his lesson! ha
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