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Old 01-19-2010, 11:30 AM   #1
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What makes a bike high side?

As you know by now, my bike was involved in a high side last month. I have not been able to ride it, because it is in disrepair. It is repairable, but I'm waiting on him getting finances together.

I REALLY miss my bike. I nearly cried all the way downtown this morning as I sat in traffic and watched the HOV pass me by.


I did see a nice, yellow Lotus, though - which was super cool.
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Old 01-19-2010, 11:31 AM   #2
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REAR tire loses traction (usually under hard acceleration), steps out to the side, rider over compensates by letting off the throttle, rear tire hooks back up and sends rider over the bars....

I know...from experience....that and riding a street tire not designed for track use....that's right, I out road my tires. lol
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coming out of turn to hot or with to much throttle
too much brake
bad body position
lots of factors including not knowing a road
sorry about the SV, at least the mans good for the bill, you break it you buy it right
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Loss of traction on the rear tire caused by excessive lean angle and to much throttle?
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REAR tire loses traction (usually under hard acceleration), steps out to the side, rider over compensates by letting off the throttle, rear tire hooks back up and sends rider over the bars....

I know...from experience....that and riding a street tire not designed for track use....that's right, I out road my tires. lol
So, if the tire loses traction, you shouldn't let off the throttle? That actually makes sense, because you're (probably) leaned over a good amount for the tire to lose traction to begin with. When you let off the throttle and slow down it's natural to want to try to let the bike stand up, but it catches and throws you off...??? I just want to understand the physics, I guess. Seems like if you stay on the throttle, you'll come out of the turn or you'll low side.

Hmmm... I have good street tires - there shouldn't have been any tire issues at all.
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coming out of turn to hot or with to much throttle
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lots of factors including not knowing a road
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Usually happens when the rear tire loses, and then regains traction with the wheels out of line. Imagine making a turn and the rear tire breaks loose...it will start to slide towards the outside of the turn, while your momentum carries you in the same general path through the turn. So what happens is, your momentum is carrying you in a forward motion, but your tires are pointed say 10 degrees off course and are sliding across the surface of the road. If they regain traction, momentum will still try to carry you in the same forward path, but the tires aren't pointed in the right direction. This is almost like standing next to your bike and pushing it. It will tip over. Doing this at speed turns the bike into a catapult and you go over the top.

Am I making sense?
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So, if the tire loses traction, you shouldn't let off the throttle? That actually makes sense, because you're (probably) leaned over a good amount for the tire to lose traction to begin with. When you let off the throttle and slow down it's natural to want to try to let the bike stand up, but it catches and throws you off...??? I just want to understand the physics, I guess. Seems like if you stay on the throttle, you'll come out of the turn or you'll low side.

Hmmm... I have good street tires - there shouldn't have been any tire issues at all.
correct....stay on the throttle and slowly roll off until the rear catches traction again (at least this is what I've been told). Worst case scenario, you lowside...probably a much better outcome than a high side. I was lucky to walk away with minimal injuries and minimal damage to my bike. If I had a choice in crashing....I'd lowside every single time before opting for a high side.
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Usually happens when the rear tire loses, and then regains traction with the wheels out of line. Imagine making a turn and the rear tire breaks loose...it will start to slide towards the outside of the turn, while your momentum carries you in the same general path through the turn. So what happens is, your momentum is carrying you in a forward motion, but your tires are pointed say 10 degrees off course and are sliding across the surface of the road. If they regain traction, momentum will still try to carry you in the same forward path, but the tires aren't pointed in the right direction. This is almost like standing next to your bike and pushing it. It will tip over. Doing this at speed turns the bike into a catapult and you go over the top.

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So, if the tire loses traction, you shouldn't let off the throttle? That actually makes sense, because you're (probably) leaned over a good amount for the tire to lose traction to begin with. When you let off the throttle and slow down it's natural to want to try to let the bike stand up, but it catches and throws you off...??? I just want to understand the physics, I guess. Seems like if you stay on the throttle, you'll come out of the turn or you'll low side.

Hmmm... I have good street tires - there shouldn't have been any tire issues at all.
if you feel the rear slide, do not let off the throttle. let the tire regain traction back slowly. thats all i know, and also that highsides will F you up.
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Hey squoddy what kind of tires where in the bike?
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Hey squoddy what kind of tires where in the bike?
if the answer is michelins, can i get some new BT016's?
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There are plenty professional MotoGP racers that high side. Many times when that rear starts to slide there's not a thing you can do about it
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how do you know the person riding your bike highsided?
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how do you know the person riding your bike highsided?
There were those riding with him that saw the accident take place, and he said he high-sided. I'm not questioning the accident.


But I wasn't there and I don't know. What are you trying to say? Think it was a conspiracy?
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There were those riding with him that saw the accident take place, and he said he high-sided. I'm not questioning the accident.


But I wasn't there and I don't know. What are you trying to say? Think it was a conspiracy?
just wondering is all. but it does smell like conspiracy...holocaust, moon landing, the last election...they all sound fishy to me
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