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Old 01-04-2010, 02:15 PM   #21
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I'm not exactly ready to plop down the cash - so I'm looking at ballpark figures. What, approximately, are we talking about for core exchange/rebuild and upgrade to larger displacement w/ supporting mods?
Alot more money than rebuilding yours lol
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So, let's say I just fix my tranny issue (fer chrissakes I need to stay away from Gulfton) and proceed from there to a 1397 kit.

What other things will I need to get? Second battery, starter, injectors, ecu, tune, etc?
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Alot more money than rebuilding yours lol
Cheaper to buy a used block from someone like you that's ready to go and proceed from there? How much is it to fix the shift fork?
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Is a 1397 a good platform for a later, low psi turbo? And if so, should I skip the Brocks and just wait til I don't need exhaust?
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Cheaper to buy a used block from someone like you that's ready to go and proceed from there? How much is it to fix the shift fork?
Well if you are gonna go to a 1397 your gonna have to put bigger pistons. And if I was gonna do that I would have the crank and everything balanced. Aand to do that you are gonna have to split the cases. If you use your motor as a base you will be saving some money by just repairing and modding your motor. Unless you are dead set on buying another motor. And if you are let me know and I'll find one for ya
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^ I might do that. Still, what are the estimated costs of fixing the fork vs. buying a used motor.

Let's assume I had a working motor and I wanted to ship it off in exchange for a big block, balanced ready to go 1397 for like $3K, would that be worth it or would it be better to have someone local do the build for me? I know that even when I receive the replacement 1397 motor that I'll have to fork over cash to someone to install it - would a rebuild of my broken-fork motor to balanced 1397 spec be in line with what I'd pay for a swap?
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Actually the second gear issue is caused by a flexing shift shaft.They are hollow.Schnitz sells billet ones but the damage is already done
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Well thats 2 different animals, either build all motor or build turbo, I wouldnt suggest building 190hp motor and then putting a turbo on it, not the best idea, and quote on work is hard to do because honestly U could spend some big bucks, good crank, rods, pistons, head work, a Carpenter head could run 3 or 4 k by itself, I have been involved in some 600 hp busa motors, that run 7 teens, but dont last long
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If you can get a reputable 1397 that has drop-in cams for $3000, it isnt a bad deal imo. Just the bore kit and cams are at least $1800. Get a full break down of what is in the engine. Good builders will upgrade output shafts and tranny.
My buddy's 1397 has one battery and is 194rwhp as a street machine. It could make more power but it is an everyday rider. He changes the battery every summer. It has been a stone reliable street bike since 03.

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This guy's bike dyno'd 196.

One year on motor. he's willing to part the motor and ship for $4K (ouch?). $7K for the bik as a whole might as well just by the whole thing and sell mine, no?

http://psychobike.com/forums/garage-...1397-busa.html

How much could I get for a stock '05 busa w/ broken 2nd gear and slightly mismatched plastics? @30K on clock. Very tiny rash.
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Well thats 2 different animals, either build all motor or build turbo, I wouldnt suggest building 190hp motor and then putting a turbo on it, not the best idea, and quote on work is hard to do because honestly U could spend some big bucks, good crank, rods, pistons, head work, a Carpenter head could run 3 or 4 k by itself, I have been involved in some 600 hp busa motors, that run 7 teens, but dont last long
what about just port and polish heads?
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Seriously, you can buy a used 08 Busa or 14 and have almost as much power as that.
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Seriously, you can buy a used 08 Busa or 14 and have almost as much power as that.
for $7K? whole bike, race ready?

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Pics are nice - even for salvage. I was just wondering about buying his motor and swapping it. Get a new Busa for that much? I'm th9inking like $15K out the door.
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And if I don't already, I should make sure not to look too poseur and learn to hot lap that stock 1300R first. It's just the rebuild costs vs. exchange costs that I'm asking about.
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I think you are not getting the answer you're looking for cause no one knows the answer. I'd guess a good rebuild shop might just charge you the cost of the parts that are bad if they are using your motor for a core. They expect to find problems in each core motor and charge the customer for repairs needed to make the core useable.

I'd buy your Busa with the bad 2nd gear, for a good price. At shop rates the tranny repair would be a big grip of cash. Doing it myself, it's not that big of a cash outlay, just lots and lots of time. Shoot me PM if you might wanna sell.
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Cashtown, do not buy a used motor, ESPECIALLY if it has been built up or sprayed....a used stock motor "may" be ok but I will take a well maintained, high mileage busa(yours) motor anyday over a low mileage unknown history motor.

There is some labor involved in changing the forks, I am not sure, but its probably around 8hrs book time(although it takes me way longer then that...LOL).

You will at a minimum need 3 new forks(yes change all 3), thats about $210, billet shift shafts from APE are another $50 I believe and a good investment. LASTLY, chances are, you have rounded the engagement dogs on 2nd gear and they will need to be re-cut. If I were you, I would pull the tranny, send the whole thing to R&D or Fast By Gast and have it all checked out and undercut. They get about $300 to do this but the tranny will look like brand new and shift like butter, not to mention you won't likely damage a fork again since the tranny is now under cut. So with oil/coolant/sealant/seals and parts etc, you are looking are $650 in parts. If you choose to not do the labor yourself, I have a guy that is in the Clear Lake area that builds busa motors on the side, he has built some fast bikes that run at the local strips, his labor rate can't be beat and he does ride in/ride out jobs all the time. If you want his info, PM me and I will call him and give him your info. He can replace the tranny and set you up with a 1397 kit if you want.

If you go the 1397 kit route, knowing that you are mainly a street rider and not a racer, you don't need to spend mega bucks on this thing. Here is what I would recommend for you:

JE or Wiseco 1397, 12.8-1 pistons/ Fresh 3 mil over block...$800
Yosh stage 1 drop in cams or small Web cams w/adj sprockets..$600
Freshen up your stock head, lap the valves, install new springs/seals..$300
New cam chain $80
Cometic head gasket $50
MISC seals $50

Have the builder check the appearance of the bearings when the cases are split for the tranny, if they look good, leave em, if not, plan on spending another $180 for bearings or so...My buddy that builds these motors will know what to do with it for you and he is very honest and reasonable.( he is a State Trooper for christ sakes....)

This is a bare bones 1397 build here, it should start on 1 battery and not run hot and not cost TOO much to build...This setup should get you 185-190hp with a good midrange... I would think with labor this setup should cost you around $3200-3300 or so...ride in, ride out. Ofcourse you will have to pay someone to map it for you and thats another $250....this is assuming you already have the pipe, PCIII etc.

Ofcourse head porting, bigger cams, more compression etc etc will make more power, but the bill goes up and driveability goes down. This recipe above is for just a good reliable street motor that makes decent power.....nothing crazy but it will keep you up with the new 1000s....You could find some used Yosh drop in cams for about $400 and I wouldn't hesitate to use them. I would stay away from used pistons/cylinders.

If you need more info, PM me, I have plenty of recipes but its all in how much you want to spend and what you want.

If you are on a tight budget, just pull the motor, have someone do the tranny work for you for $650 in parts +labor(probably $100-200) and you put the motor back in and ride it...
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