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Old 12-31-2009, 09:12 AM   #41
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Here is a thought to further muddy the waters. Some say to lighten the grip on the clip ons, that giving input is the last thing you should do. But doesn't a stabilizer, in essence, so the same thing as tightening your grip? Giving input?

Anyway, huge different between "head shake" guys and "tank slappers"

I get head shake all the time, on every bike I have owned, while accellerating out of corners. If your not getting it, your going too slow.
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Old 12-31-2009, 09:47 AM   #42
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my buddy was ejected from his gixxer during a tank slapper at TWS (Texas World Speedway) in august and broke his hip, he was new to the bike and didnt like how stiff the steering was, so he backed the steering damper off, the first lap out, he touched the brakes and that was all she wrote, he was on his way to the hospital, and was there for two weeks, needless to say, his first track back after the accident, he had the steering dampner adjusted back where it was in the first place
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A stabilizer is just like a shock, slows down the ocillations.. way smoother and quicker than any human can possibly do. When you grab the bars to try and stop it, you end up transfering the motion to the rest of the bike and it will only get worse, i.e. tank slapper.

Most any suspension guy will tell you to have the damper adjusted as light as you can.. shouldn't be all that noticeable at all.

I would dare to say your input on the controls while accellerating is turning the wheel, giving you the mild head shake.. plus the tire is light so it doesn't take much.
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Here is a thought to further muddy the waters. Some say to lighten the grip on the clip ons, that giving input is the last thing you should do. But doesn't a stabilizer, in essence, so the same thing as tightening your grip? Giving input?
I don't think so... at least, not exactly. A stabilizer acts on fluid resistance unilaterally in both directions. It will not exert force in the opposite direction as it resists the primary force. As soon as the force crosses over to the other side, it will seamlessly resist that force while simultaneously and proportionately releasing it's resistance in the other direction... all while not adding weight to the steering head, and doing so in a fluid motion.

Also, I believe having your suspension setup improperly can cause headshake. If you're rear suspension is too soft, while being to firm up front, you can experience headshake when rolling on the throttle at a high speed.

ps: Hope this came out right, since I'm on my cell phone...

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Well, I always figured stabilizers were a good thing since virtually everyone on the grids have them. This CMRA expert / PRN AMA guy told me it was "bling" and worthless once.
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Well, I always figured stabilizers were a good thing since virtually everyone on the grids have them. This CMRA expert / PRN AMA guy told me it was "bling" and worthless once.

Keith Code calls them a crutch for poor bike setup.

They have their purpose, but most people crank them way up thinking thats better, and it isn't. The only time they should come into play is when something goes wrong... and then they are worth the money.

The Scotts have a range adjustment so you can set them narrow to fix minor headshake, but normal slow speed turning isn't affected... a lot of people don't ever set them right or even pay attention.

The RSC is speed sensitive and doesn't do anything until the bar whips in a headshake situation.. kinda like the high speed compression circuit in a shock.

The LSR associations require them since you are going 200 or so, and being buffeted and bumped around, which can add some unintended steering inputs.. that can be very bad at those speeds.
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NO bike should shake with your hands off the bars, unless something is off with the chassis set up or tire/wheel.
Come to think about it, my left handlebar is bent some and might be causing imbalance. Whoever used it before I did really used it for training :(
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I love how half the responses on the first page are talking about modified shifters the guy can get when he gets another bike. Do these people not read? His RIGHT foot with be amputated, not the left foot dumbasses.


That thread is old as btw.
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I love how half the responses on the first page are talking about modified shifters the guy can get when he gets another bike. Do these people not read? His RIGHT foot with be amputated, not the left foot dumbasses.


That thread is old as btw.


you must be an old thread police today. That's 2 you've pointed out.
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you must be an old thread police today. That's 2 you've pointed out.
meh i really don't care. the thread that guy bumped ain't no big deal, better to bump a old thread then to create a duplicate. was just pointing it out merely. i am also bored off my ****ing right now.
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meh i really don't care. the thread that guy bumped ain't no big deal, better to bump a old thread then to create a duplicate. was just pointing it out merely. i am also bored off my ****ing right now.
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come buy the shotty
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you'll get over that
i got an 870 synthetic already.
too much other things i have to spend money on right now, more guns will be for later.
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hopefully he learned a very valuable lesson from all this
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