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Old 12-30-2009, 11:17 PM   #21
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when I picked up a 01 ninja 250 I was riding home and did a no hander to pop my wrist. Next thing I know that front end was shaking like a . I thought it was tires but even with new tires it likes to go into shake mode. It happens around 30-40 +- 10 while decelerating in gear with no hands on bars. Very dangerous to an unsuspecting noob, good bike except for that, so much for noob bike
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:18 PM   #22
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That or getting one of those uhm... "anti headshake" things that look like small struts.
Steering Stabilizers FTW!!! I've never ridden a bike without one... So i dunno what one without it feels like.
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when I picked up a 01 ninja 250 I was riding home and did a no hander to pop my wrist. Next thing I know that front end was shaking like a . I thought it was tires but even with new tires it likes to go into shake mode. It happens around 30-40 +- 10 while decelerating in gear with no hands on bars. Very dangerous to an unsuspecting noob, good bike except for that, so much for noob bike
Well said. That's exactly what happens. I let go of the handlebars sometimes (in the right place and time) just to make sure I can regain control. Also, letting go of the throttle means slowing down fast anyways.


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Since the 2fiddy IS supposed to be a beginner bike, they should let 2fiddy owners know about this one way or another.

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I wonder if this also happens on the 500...
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:21 PM   #24
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That or getting one of those uhm... "anti headshake" things that look like small struts.
You can still get headshake with a stablilizer. They are not the end all cure by any means.
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You can still get headshake with a stablilizer. They are not the end all cure by any means.
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Well said. That's exactly what happens. I let go of the handlebars sometimes (in the right place and time) just to make sure I can regain control. Also, letting go of the throttle means slowing down fast anyways.


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Since the 2fiddy IS supposed to be a beginner bike, they should let 2fiddy owners know about this one way or another.

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I wonder if this also happens on the 500...
A noob shouldn't be riding with no handlebars anyways
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:25 PM   #27
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so pretty much there's no cure...just preventatives
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:32 PM   #29
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there's a guy selling a zx10 salvage on craigslist cuz he wrecked from headshake.
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My '04 636 was bad about headshake before I put the GPR on it.

A stabilizer is a "must have" on that bike.

I was told by several people to hurry and put one on that bike.

On a SMR, I hit a crack in the pavement during a corner on one of my favorite backroads and got a bar slapper. I was lucky I didn't go down.

When I got home I cleaned out my pants and ordered my GPR right away.

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ive had it happen a few times when accelerating hard and changing lanes (running over the road )
Thats happened to me several times, kinda scary the first time since I wasnt expecting it
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Best thing is stay on the gas and relax the grip. Trying to fight the headshake results in tank slappers.

Bikes that are prone to headshake comes usually from too much weight on the front wheel coupled with a steep rake and short trail. There is not enough gyro effect to keep the wheel self centered. They also usually change directions the best.

But, without rider input, most bikes are very stable. You can hunt around and find videos where a rider gets ejected from a tankslapper, and then the bike settles down and continues down the track. That should tell you where the issue is: the rider inputs and bike setup.
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my 07 is way better than my 06 rr...not sure why that is. it has never happened on my 07 rr, but it happened at least 4-5 times on my 06 rr. probably weight distribution??
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my 07 is way better than my 06 rr...not sure why that is. it has never happened on my 07 rr, but it happened at least 4-5 times on my 06 rr. probably weight distribution??
06 doesnt come with steering damper young one. The 07 600rr has the Honda Electronic Steering Damper young one

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Best thing is stay on the gas and relax the grip. Trying to fight the headshake results in tank slappers.

Bikes that are prone to headshake comes usually from too much weight on the front wheel coupled with a steep rake and short trail. There is not enough gyro effect to keep the wheel self centered. They also usually change directions the best.

But, without rider input, most bikes are very stable. You can hunt around and find videos where a rider gets ejected from a tankslapper, and then the bike settles down and continues down the track. That should tell you where the issue is: the rider inputs and bike setup.
This is the correct answer.

I get headshake coming out of diamonds edge at MSRH. When I get lazy and use my arms instead of my stomach and legs to correct the turn. It is very common at that point of the track. Getting hard on the throttle and out of a quick right then left. Dampers and Stabilizers help.

Edit: if the downed rider would have been wearing proper boots I believe he would have come out alot better. Sneakers on a bike are the suck.
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lol at .

This happens everytime on the 2fiddy when I take both my hands off the bike. I thought it was just bad balancing but a tech told me it's just how 2fiddy's are. Guess no "no-hands" trick for me.
huh ... my 250 was rock steady riding no hands.
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hmm...i knew the 1krr did...where the is it located on the 07 600rr? i read it's below the steering head, i'll have to check this out tomorrow. thx for the info though crazi
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hmm...i knew the 1krr did...where the is it located on the 07 600rr? i read it's below the steering head, i'll have to check this out tomorrow. thx for the info though crazi
under wehre the tank bolts up is where it is,, there isnt one on my kawi or cbr and i've got headshake plenty of time at triple digits,,, just relax your grip and dont jump off!
i finally got a stabilizer for my cbr and i'm hoping it will decrease pucker moments on the track significantly(especially msrh)
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... it might be better to say he was a noob before his accident. From reading his post, I'd day he did experience something of a wake up call.
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Another thing to check is your steering head bearings aren't too loose. Not unusual to find them not to spec, even on a new bike.

Both my 12R have dampers, because they came on the bikes when I got them. My Bandit doesn't, even tho it is changed quite a bit from stock.. only time its ever wiggled is coming off a wheelie crossed up.. then it just wags a couple times to let me know it's unhappy and we continue on.

NO bike should shake with your hands off the bars, unless something is off with the chassis set up or tire/wheel. Taking your hands off closes the throttle, which puts more weight on the front, and can aggravate a borderline condition.
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